NO "WOW" Factor!

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  1. Adam2590

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    Toshiba HD-E1 connected Via HDMI to Toshiba WLT66 42" LCD playing Goodfellas HD-DVD seated x 3 screen sizes away, Definitely no WOW factor!!!:thumbsdow
     
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    Something's wrong.

    HD DVD is like the cinema, not the TV.

    Give ALL the details of your set-up.

    Nick
     
  3. Adam2590

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    Lets start with the TV Calibrations

    Backlight = 30
    Contrast= 55
    Mpeg NR =Off
    DNR=OFF
    Colour temperature= Normal

    3D Adjustment = on with the following setings
    Red-Hue =1 Sat = -2 Bright=-2
    Green-hue=-2 Sat=0 Bright=-1
    Blue-HUe=+2 Sat=+1 bright=-2
    Yellow-Hue=-1 Sat=+1 Bright=-1
    Magenta-Hue=0 Sat= -2 Bright=0
    Cyan-Hue=+1 sat=-1 bright=0

    HD-E1 connected Via HDMI

    Pic output =1080i

    Thanks for the intrest.
     
  4. Adam2590

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    Sorry missed
    Brightness= 49
    Colour=41
    Tint= 0
    Sharp-0
    Blackstretch=Off
     
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    Well i watched goodfellas last night on my 360 addon on my 37PF9830 , and whilst i could see the original material is not in great shape , it was still a much better experience than the SD dvd and could see plenty more things i never noticed the first 3 times round on SD.:thumbsup:

    The WOW FACTOR is the problem here , everybody has there own perception of WOW.
    Eyesight & Equipment aside.
     
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    Try a couple other titles like:

    King Kong
    Chronicles of Riddick
    Serenity
    Batman Returns
    Mission Impossible 3

    I was 'wowed' on my smallish 52" but I'm already thinking of upgrading to a projector when funds become available since I think in order to truly appreciate HD you need a larger screen. IMO of course.
     
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    Adam, either you´re a BD fanboy, or you need eye surgery. :cool:

    Test some of the, state of the art HD-DVD discs, if it doesn´t help, return your player, and just enjoy your ordinary dvd´s.

    Merry X-mas. :hiya:
     
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    I would also suggest that you check your cables. Could i ask what brand of cable you have ? component or vga ?

    is it 3rd party ?
     
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    Have you compared it with the SD version ?
     
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    Well I have just watched my first HD-DVD movie and that was The Adventures of Robin Hood made in 1938 and that certainly had the wow factor so I don't know what you are not doing.
     
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    lol
     
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    The year it was made should have very little to do with it.
     
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    Adam

    Do you mean 3 x screen height about 6' or 3 x 42" about 10' ? If it's the later this may be too far away to really benefit from HD. Viewing distance plays a significant role in the eyes ability to render detail. I've got a graph somewhere that plots screen size to viewing distance before you lose the benefit. I'm not sure Goodfellas is the finest example of HD around either although it's a great film.;)

    AVI
     
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    Think theres a good graph on the Toshiba HD-DVD site!
     
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    I have Goodfellas on HD-DVD. No way is it in the same league as other disks metioned here like Serenity. Look at things in the distance and at character's faces - you should notice much more detail even with Goodfellas like I did. Early days yet too for disks...the trend in quality will improve just like SD DVD.
     
  16. Adam2590

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    Appreciate all the feed back, and yes the viewing distance has helped in improving detail of PQ. I'll post back my opinion after I have viewed a few HD-DVD's. Superman returns and Toko drift on the way already!.

    Dave2: I'm using (presumably a cheap) HDMI cable that came with the HD-E1.
     
  17. Adam2590

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    My viewing distance previously was 12 to 14 feet. I've adjusted to 8 to 9 feet now. Still no WOW, but yes it has improved the detail of GOODFELLAS.
     
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    I reckon its just the goodfellas disc - apparantly its a big boost from sd but not really reference quality. I think you need to try another movie. King Kong shows what its capable of and the Searcher, for example, shows how good an old movie can look!
     
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    42" is larger than average TV size for the UK.

    10' is just over 3 yeards - far less than the average length of a UK living room.

    Subsequently, and with all due respect, the problem is that HD only really becomes visible when the viewer is far closer to the TV set tham most people are used to sitting.

    Before HD was proposed, I cannot remember anyone choosing the seating distance from a normal TV set based on the TVs visible resolution.

    We all sat the distance from the TV at which we were comfortable watching TV.

    The arguments here are akin to someone saying they can't hear the difference between CD and SACD/DVD-A, and someone replying that it's the listener's fault because they're not sat with their head 6" from the speaker cones.

    You sit at the distance at which you sit. If HD isn't visible it's not the fault of the seating distance, it's just that the improvement isn't visible at that distance.

    Steve W
     
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    I've just finished watching Goodfellas and i was impressed with the level of detail & acurate colour tones! Way better than the last sd dvd release. As for wow factor, i don't think some movies like Goodfellas will be as obvious as say Batman Begins in terms of look! Compare it to the sd dvd & you'll be in for a shock!
    The free HDMI lead Toshiba provide is rubbish, i tested it this afternoon with all 3 of my HDMI players & my qed lead won hands down!

    :thumbsup:
     
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    Steve

    Isn't that what I said ?:confused: But er... thanks for those pearls of wisdom I'll bear that in mind.;) My advice to anyone considering HD is understand that bigger, higher res displays and closer seating realise greater benefits with HD. If you sit too far away for the screen size you are unlikely to gain the full benefit of HD DVD/BD. It's a limitation of the human eye but maybe with evolution will come furniture that can be moved closer to the display. :rolleyes:

    The attached is from a guide to Hi Def TV but it deals with the lower end of hi def as opposed to specifically 1920x1080 so you could argue that to get the most from this you need to be even closer :D 5.5' according to this http://www.myhometheater.homestead.com/viewingdistancecalculator.html

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    I cracked open my first dvd be it 'The Breakup' with the missus and it was defnitely cinematic due to the detail. Can't wait to watch Fearless or Miami Vice which have both just arrived. :D
     
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    Alteratively, you could say that people haven't bought large enough sets to benefit from HD. You can't have it all - you either buy big enough for your resolution, or sit closer. The three factors are completely interdependent, and it's meaningless to judge one without the other two.
     
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    No, that's the entire problem. "Buy big enough or sit closer" is wrong. Sit at the distance that's comfortable, and you either see the improved PQ or you don't. Don't buy a set that's too big for your room, or sit closer than you would like just to see improved resolution - that's putting the cart before the horse.

    The whole idea some people have is strange. It's effectively saying "I can only see better PQ at a close distance, so I'm moving closer/getting a bigger set. I don't care that the set unnaturally dominates thye room. I don't care if this involves a seating arrangement which is highly unusual."

    This is totally arse-about-face. Surely our living rooms are living rooms. We should buy the size TV that looks good in the room. We should set up the seating in a way that suits the room. If we can then see better PQ, brilliant!

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    Unfortunately such common sense if often lost on people. For some, like me, the TV does not rule the living room.
     
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    Steve

    You seem to have a bee in your bonnet on a few threads about people sitting closer to their display/screens will make them ill of cause discomfort etc. It's a personal thing and from my experience it doesn't cause any long term physiological problems and you don't suffer pain doing so.;)

    I find it very comfortable sitting about 1.5 screens from 100" 1920x1080 image. I do see more detail, it's a great experience and I just enjoy :smashin:

    What' the problem ?

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    I sit about 4ft away from my 37" , and have found sitting between 2ft-3ft , i notice a lot more detail , but it is not ideal with a 5.1 setup.
    Bigger display is needed to sit further away and notice the same detail.

    Next on the list a 52 or 60" 1080p.
     
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    I have absolutely no problem with that whatsoever. I am not criticising people for sitting too close.

    The problem I have is, when people say they can't fully appreciate HD at a pretty normal/real-world seating distance, they're criticised as if they're doing something wrong.

    They're not. They're watching a normal telly from a normal distance in a normally laid out room. If, in that situation, HD isn't apparent, it's HD that's not good enough.

    We should not change our lives & living rooms to fit in with HD. HD should try to enrich our lives as they are.

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    HD is for life , not just for christmas.
    lol
     
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