No obfustication, simple yes or no...

Should the United Kingdom leave the European Union or remain a member of the European Union ?

  • Leave the European Union

    Votes: 61 48.4%
  • Remain a member of the European Union

    Votes: 65 51.6%

  • Total voters
    126
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IronGiant

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If we reran the referendum would you vote leave or stay?

What is the referendum question?

The referendum question will be: Should the United Kingdom leave the European Union or remain a member of the European Union ?

with the responses:

1) Leave the European Union

2) Remain a member of the European Union
 

Sonic67

Banned
Ha ha, while you did this I created one.
 

IronGiant

Moderator
3 votes already and none of them mine :)
 

Toko Black

In Memoriam
If we reran the referendum would you vote leave or stay?

What is the referendum question?

The referendum question will be: Should the United Kingdom leave the European Union or remain a member of the European Union ?

with the responses:

1) Leave the European Union

2) Remain a member of the European Union

It might be beneficial if you weighted the 'Leave the European Union'/Poll with a clear proviso that it means either:

a) if we got to run the whole thing over again with 3yrs to sort it all out or

b) the referendum is a choice based on accepting that it's going to be Leaving on April 12th with No Deal, what preparations and contingencies we have in place OR with May's Deal/Some 'very' similar Deal and you have no say or control over which (Deal or No Deal) you get.​

to avoid confusion.
 

Ndaa75

Active Member
Nothings changed here...leave everyday of the week.
 

rustybin

Distinguished Member
If it's a black or white stay or leave, it would have to be stay for me.

But what I'd like is a gradual leave over the next decade or so. Failing that, immediate leave with gradual reintegration in areas of mutual benefit.
 

Sonic67

Banned
But what I'd like is a gradual leave over the next decade or so. Failing that, immediate leave with gradual reintegration in areas of mutual benefit.
That's a nice idea. You think the EU would agree?
 
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Deleted member 27989

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It might be beneficial if you weighted the 'Leave the European Union'/Poll with a clear proviso that it means either:

a) if we got to run the whole thing over again with 3yrs to sort it all out or

b) the referendum is a choice based on accepting that it's going to be Leaving on April 12th with No Deal, what preparations and contingencies we have in place OR with May's Deal/Some 'very' similar Deal and you have no say or control over which (Deal or No Deal) you get.​

to avoid confusion.
Jeez fella, what is wrong with you?
 

IronGiant

Moderator
The point of this poll was, if you were asked the same question as in 2016, what would your answer be now. Filling it out with anything further would have destroyed the point of asking the question phrased exactly as it was back then. It also avoids any accusations of the author introducing bias, which your "modifications" would certainly have done.
 

Toko Black

In Memoriam
The point of this poll was, if you were asked the same question as in 2016, what would your answer be now. Filling it out with anything further would have destroyed the point of asking the question phrased exactly as it was back then. It also avoids any accusations of the author introducing bias, which your "modifications" would certainly have done.

I both agree and disagree:

I agree that for the purpose of simple having a poll of what you would vote for if the same question was asked again without any proviso's it is simple and direct.
It doesn't tell you any more than that though and my concern is that it actually muddies the waters and enables those with an agenda to use it to their advantage because it's ambiguous.

I also disagree that my poll was introducing bias, but I agree that it didn't help in giving fuel to 'accusations' that it was.

I believe there was an automatic assumption of bias based upon the political stance of the author and the lack of understanding of why the poll was designed as it was - rather than any supported or reasoned evidence.

I felt it was important to try collect some data in a way that allowed it to be contrasted against various scenarios that are quite likely to be facing us - but within the constraints of the poll format etc.
Just for example I can use the data to calculate(not manipulate) what would occur in a face off between all 3 possible options on the table (Deal/No Deal, Deal/Revoke, No Deal/Revoke).

That was the motivation, not a desire to push an agenda or 'win'.(I'll add my spread sheet to my information to allow anyone to see and clarify there is no manipulation)
 

IronGiant

Moderator
Why discuss this in my thread, yours is still active :D :p
 

tapzilla2k

Distinguished Member
If it's a black or white stay or leave, it would have to be stay for me.

But what I'd like is a gradual leave over the next decade or so. Failing that, immediate leave with gradual reintegration in areas of mutual benefit.

That's what the Trade negotiations with the EU are for, that's the far more important stage of Brexit. All Article 50 is designed to do is to grant an exit from the institutions and politics of the EU. While the trade negotiations sorts out the Economic relationship between the UK and EU.

Those negotiations will take place even in the event of No Deal. And will probably take most of the 2020's to conclude.

The point of this poll was, if you were asked the same question as in 2016, what would your answer be now. Filling it out with anything further would have destroyed the point of asking the question phrased exactly as it was back then. It also avoids any accusations of the author introducing bias, which your "modifications" would certainly have done.

My answer hasn't changed since 2016, but that shouldn't come as a surprise and yes I'm fully aware that the current course has us set to leave at some point soon if events follow current assumptions. If it comes to a second referendum then it will likely be a binary choice between current EU membership and a Leave option of some description. I find the other polls a bit premature as we have to see how things shake out in the Commons this week. I'd have held off until that had become clearer.
 

Cliff

Distinguished Member
I would also find it interesting to find out how many have changed their minds. So far, it looks like the numbers are very small, and the result, if voters can be bothered to vote again, will be the same as before.
 
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Deleted member 39001

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Here’s a simple idea, how about honouring the vote of 17.4 million people and just leave?
But no, we can’t do that!!!

Instead now we’ll get all these lying MPs who said they want a second referendum vote tomorrow to kill article 50 or / and stay in the single market and customs union, because they will have the chance tomorrow to vote for as many of these things as they like.
The remain camp has won.

People seem to have forgotten though, we have left the EU, if we stay we can’t stay as we were before and we will HAVE to sign up to anything the EU forces us to. Including the Euro..

All this has done is kill democracy, millions will now never bother voting ever again. Parliament no longer represents the people.

Their will not be a second referendum IMO as they have the chance to vote to remain or stop Brexit without that. Businesses will start to suffer soon as their is zero certainty from Parliament remainers for them to make plans and investments against.

I would vote leave, if I bothered to vote and wouldn’t be the only one like that. But I’ve moved on from it now, I’m more concerned about how long the economy will
 
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weaviemx5

Distinguished Member
People seem to have forgotten though, we have left the EU, if we stay we can’t stay as we were before and we will HAVE to sign up to anything the EU forces us to. Including the Euro..

Do you have evidence to support this? As far as the EU have stated, revoking Article 50 means we retain all previous vetoes/exclusions and continue as before.
 

weaviemx5

Distinguished Member

I specifically didn't say that we continue with them going long into the future, just that we continue as before. Prior to invoking A50 we have vetoes/exclusions from the Euro & Schengen and, in the case of revoking A50, we would still have them.

Edit - That link also states "report on possible evolutions.." and was dated 3 years' ago. I'm not suggesting that the EU won't evolve, just that it's not evidence of the fact stated by Apolloa that, "we will HAVE to sign up to anything the EU forces us to" which seems very specific.
 
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Deleted member 293381

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Theresa has achieved her objective: to remain in the EU. That has been her ambition all along.

Well done Theresa.

She can now happily retire from politics and watch the fallout from a distance just as her predecessor has done.

I personally have no problem with the future of this country now because Westminster has, thanks to Brexit, proved beyond a shadow of doubt it is incapable of independently running a country - this country needs the EU to prop it up against the weak and divided Westminster bubble.

We might just as well go the whole hog and take on board the Euro.

I have no idea which thread to put this in, so it's in here.
 
I personally have no problem with the future of this country now because Westminster has, thanks to Brexit, proved beyond a shadow of doubt it is incapable of independently running a country - this country needs the EU to prop it up against the weak and divided Westminster bubble.
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One of the reasons I voted Remain. The EU adds an extra layer of bureaucracy to frustrate, slow or prevent any radical populist politics for individual member states.
 
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