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Nissan Leaf 24KW or 30KW?

Discussion in 'Hybrid, PHEV & EV Electric Cars Forum' started by IronGiant, Apr 19, 2017.

  1. IronGiant

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    Thinking of leasing one of these for Mrs IG's commute. As the commute is only 5 miles each way, I'm thinking that the smaller battery should be fine?
     
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    A brand new 24kWh car will have around 20kWh usable battery. In winter I was seeing 3 miles per kWh so 60 mile real life range, in summer up to 4.5-5 miles per kWh so 90 miles.

    If your usage pattern fits a used 24kWh car will be cheaper than a 30kWh car and serve you just as well.
     
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    For that mileage I'd pick up a second hand 24kWh. Initial depreciation on the Leaf is pretty rough and will probably be worse soon with a 40kwh version just around the corner.

    I picked up a 1 year old Leaf for £13.5k in 2015 and its still going great.

    Bear in mind that you will probably find yourself using her car when you go out together, or if she's at home. It's a joy to drive and I hate going back to petrol or diesel now.
     
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    Thanks for the advice everyone, we went for a test drive this morning and put a deposit on a new 24kWh Leaf Accenta :thumbsup:. We're getting it on a 3 year pcp so by the time that's up we can look at what new technology is about.
     
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    I'm sure your love it, just be warned once you get the EV bug there is no going back!!!
     
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    Bearing in mind we are coming from a 2005 ICE car, the tech was rather mind blowing. :clap:

    Frosty tomorrow? plug it in overnight ( so you use house power) and have the climate control come on before you need to leave :cool:
     
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    It's fantastic.

    Remote activation of heating and charging is great too. Was working night shift last night so I turned on the heat via app just before I left work, nice cosy car to drive home in.
     
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    This is the kind of techy stuff I'm looking forward to. Hopefully my next car will be a PHEV or full blown EV.
    Current Merc C300H is just pretending to be a hybrid. System only works half the time so it's basically an overweight diesel. To be fair, I think there is a fault in the system.
     
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    Just doing some back of the envelope sums.

    Today our solar panels generated a weeks worth of commuting for our Leaf. I think we might be carbon neutral as far as using an EV.
     
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    Sounds like your getting into this EV thingy even before the car has been delivered!! All I can say is am pretty sure your end up using the Leaf much more than you originally thought.
     
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    What deal did you get IG? I've been thinking of a leaf for a while. Would rather lease too.
     
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    For some bizarre reason, the 30kW option is only available over 2 years, which we didn't want and it would have been £60 a month extra.
     
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    I could have got you a Tekna 30kWh for £499 deposit, and £229 per month over 3 years...
     
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    Dammit... :D

    A new one? :eek:
     
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    What can you get for around 12k miles per year? Prefer lease than buy. Not bothered about brand new if second hand is considerably cheaper.
     
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    What is the life on the batteries these days?
     
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    Long enough that if you are leasing you shouldn't need to worry about it. :)

    Nissan run a scheme whereby you can lease the batteries if you are buying the car.
     
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    24kWh has 5yr/60k warranty, 30kWh has 8yr/100k warranty.
     
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    Yes, brand new, you as first keeper.
     
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    Too late I'm afraid, I'm signed up with the local dealer and waiting for the keys. BTW admin have decided that you are getting too promotional if you point at your own deals. You could look at being an advertiser, and as our site owner is just getting into EV's may look kindly on you.
     
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    Aha, thanks. I'll bear that in mind, sorry.
     
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    Not a problem, you've been giving useful info :smashin:
     
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    Depending on the answer might influence my decision...
     
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    Warranty aside, what are the projections for battery life?
     
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    My brother who is a physicist asked me this question regarding the Li-ion batteries:

    "how have they addressed the 500-1000 charge discharge cycles before batteries fall to 60% capacity?"
     
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    Sounds like we are play jeopardy.
    Are you asking a question or trying to confuse me? :D
     
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    When properly thermally regulated (cooled/warmed), lithium cells packs are probably going to out last the cars chassis!!

    The i3 and Tesla both have such packs and showing degradation of sub 5% at 100k miles, with Tesla packs projected to last 500k before hitting more than 20% degradation.

    Tesla battery data shows path to over 500,000 miles on a single pack

    www.bmwblog.com/2017/04/24/bmw-i3-long-term-battery-capacity-report-b

    Tesla are now just about to start producing their next generation cells which should last even longer than current packs, which if the current degradation data is to be bettered will effectively mean battery life is sometimes no one needs to worry about :).

    The current Leaf is a different story, to save money the pack in the Leaf is air cooled/warmed. This means when temps go too low/high degradation is accelerated and there is nothing you can do.

    Current Leaf packs are reaching 20% degradation after around 80k miles. I hope Nissan will use active battery thermal management in the new Leaf due Sep this year.
     
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    Good to know, thanks.
    Not sure I'd reach that mileage but something to consider if looking at second hand.
    There are some great deals on nearly new i3's so maybe I should steer my research that way.
     

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