NEWS: Sony announce pricing on XF90 4K HDR TVs

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    1. Steve Withers

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      I've just watched a comparison video between the XF90 and XE90, and it seems that the XE90 is better option right now for those who are interested in buying a new tv.

      From the video at 10:00 there is more noticeable judder from the XF90, with some banding and dirty screen effect quite visible on the XF90 as well, located to the left.

      Sony 55 XF9005 (XF90) mit X1 Extreme im Test:...
       
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      Yes,that would be sent straight back.
       
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      Agreed, it's unacceptable and should be returned.

      If I had the money, I would buy the XE90 or XE93 now, they look better in design as well.
       
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      Thanks Steve and look forward to your hands on review and a comparison with the XE90.
       
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      Way too subjective to be a valid comparison. @Steve Withers when can we expect your review?

      Full review from Flatpanels HD here, 60 zones compared to 45 plus uses X1 Xtreme processor.

      Sony X900F (XF90) review - FlatpanelsHD
       
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      I can't work out if the XF90 is going to worth considering over the XE93 especially as they both have the same processor.

      Edit; Plus I would have hoped they would have given the prices for the 49" model as well but disappointed they have not.
       
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      Depends on what size you’re looking to buy, also not sure how much longer the XE93 is going to be available to buy.
       
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      Personally would go for XF90, FALD gives superior uniformity.
       
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      But the YouTube review doesn't look promising. Think it was posted couple of weeks ago.
       
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      Is anyone seriously going to judge TV judder on the basis of a YouTube video shot on camcorder or similar? Suspect you need to factor in the frame rate of the camcorder and of YouTube and of the device you're viewing it on . Let's wait for the AVForums team to get to work on a proper evaluation.
       
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      The comment made was that it had visibly darker corners and an obvious vertical band when compared to the XE90 next to it. Their video reviews are a lot more useful than the mostly text based AVF ones or even the AVF YT videos ... "proper" :laugh:
      Could just as well have been the other way around if you take two other sets. Uniformity statements based on a single set really shouldn't be taken too seriously indeed. A nice indicator but nothing more than that ...
       
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      Agreed.

      Normally I wouldn't speculate the way I've done when it comes to new products being released.

      There are always teething problems with new tech when released, and being an early adopter for anything is a risk.

      We all know that no LCD is 100% perfect, but normally when review samples are sent out they are checked first for these uniformity issues, it appears this one wasn't.

      I've already asked over on the other thread who is making the panel for this set, and await more information, either Samsung or AUO(Acer).
       
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      The video runs for nearly 15 mins. It is quite an in-depth review comparing the 2 TVs. The reviewer does have knowledge and knows what he is talking about. You don't have to be the so-called PRO. Going by the review, it doesn't look promising. The only benefit of doubt I can give is the reviewer having a faulty panel.
       
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      Tthe XF90 is an inferior model to the XE93. The pricing announcement just serves to confirm this as the XE93 was around a grand more expensive at launch. FALD isn't everything and doesn't automatically make a set better than one without.

      The XE93 remains and isn't being replaced this cycle. If it were then it would be by an XF93 which obviously doesn't exist.
       
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      So Sony are going to continue to sell the XE93 along side the 2018 models? In that case, seems surprising some suppliers are running out of stock and are listing it as "last few" and "unable to order".
       
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      I've not seen any official word that the XE93 is being discontinued.

      Even if it is, that doesn't make the XF90 its replacement model, it's the replacement for the XE90. It'll obviously improve on the XE90 and thus be closer to the XE93 but it won't compete with it.

      Who knows what Sony are up to. Maybe they're re-arranging their product line-up for some reason, we can only guess. I'll wait for the full reviews to appear but I seriously doubt the XF90 will match the XE93, let alone exceed it.
       
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      :D So assured ... (this graphic was already doing the rounds a month ago at the Chinese release; and of course there are already THREE full reviews of the XF90 available as well)

      [​IMG]
      (edited pic)
      They are discontinued and not available for re-order at Sony ...
      But Sony has a Fall/Q3 release window as well which is when the ZD9 was released so expectations are a successor to the ZD9, A1 and possibly XE93/4 will be released then. Should then come with the X1 Ultimate processor and perhaps even HDMI 2.1, which would seem like a plausible reason to delay a successor ...

      I don't know how thorough that review sample inspection really is. Have seen enough reviews with less than absolutely perfect uniformity by now over the last several years. Maybe they got is so early that the box was not even ever opened yet.
      I would say the panel is a Samsung, seemingly slightly different than last year (just as the XE90 unlike what was replied; but I already posted the whole XE90 panel list which was crosschecked with the t-con parts so it is non-debatable really). The only thing that still has me doubting is the pic I posted for the 55XE85 which was an AUO as it turned out (as suspected). Could be the quality of the capture but it didn't look quite as perfectly straight as the 65" did which is typical for AUO and makes it easy to distinguish from a Samsung panel.
       
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      All I said was I hadn't seen anything, not that it didn't exist. Also given that it says "not for publication" on it :p

      Looks like the dotted line suggests the XF90 is the kind of "stop gap" replacement for the XE93 until a "proper" one shows up.
       
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      The dotted line I believe is supposed to indicate the merging of technology from the XE93 into the XF90. At least that's what I recall seeing in those pics from the Chinese launch like

      [​IMG]
       
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      I see JL claims that all three 55 65 75 are "in stock" so an AV Forums review shouldn't be too far away.
       
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      XF80 & XF85 appear to be S-IPS this year.
       
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      Can't do another Sony unless the replace that piece of junk mediatek chip powering android os. It is the same Chipset that's been in their tvs since 2016. This will cripple any future improvements to Android OS.

      Also Sonys promise of a Dolby Vision firmware update is not acceptable in a 2018 TV. This clearly shows they are struggling to implement it correctly.
       
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      I'm sorry to say but the XF Series is using the Mediatek 5891 again this year.

      This has already been confirmed.
       
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      And that's a good reason why nobody should touch these "new" models
       
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      I think all evidence points to the AF8 OLED as the replacement since it occupies the same price points as the outgoing XE93/94.

      LG (obviously), Panasonic, Sony and Philips appear to be positioning OLED as their high-end options, perhaps because they don't see a big enough market share in 2018 for multiple high-end LED's in their product ranges (hence the removal of XE93/94 leaving just the ZD9 as their only high-end LED option).
      This might change next year if ultra-bright (2500-5000 nit) HDR LED's become available, but for this year, if you want something between the Sony XF90 and ZD9, you'll probably need to look to Samsung.
       
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      The XE70 also uses this chip, but works rather well with it's linux os, but apps can be flaky at best.
       
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      I am interested in the 55 for the bedroom as I'm impressed with the xe94 I have already. not fussed if its not as bright as the xe94 blinds me nearly in certain scenes so turned brightness down anyway. Only thing putting me off is the OS its too slow!
       

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