NEWS: Samsung TVs to get HDR10+ Amazon on 13 December

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    1. hodg100

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      The Amazon Prime app on my KS8000 has recently been updated - so I guess that's a precursor to flicking the switch on HDR10+ content. Looking forward to this - it also coincides with the new Grand Tour season, so well worth it hopefully.

      Now we've just got to hope the BDA approve it for inclusion on UHD blu-rays, and then maybe manufacturers (eh Panasonic!) will see sense and add the feature to existing (and new!) UHD players.
       
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      As much as I am happy with this, I'm somewhat worried about the future with this and iPlayer UHD only being supported on 2017 models (if the firmware update arrives before Blue Planet II expires on 15 January). I feel for all those people who purchased expensive televisions in previous years who seem to be getting ignored, including my sister-in-law and her fella who paid over £3k for a JS9500 two years ago. This type of bull is why I held off adopting 4K for so long, thinking now was a good time to buy. I hope I don't live to regret getting over my dislike of Samsung products. My UE55MU7070 is the first TV I have bought in a long, long time that's not a Panasonic or Sony. Mainly due to budgetary constraints and wanting the best image quality for my money.
       
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      HDR10 should of supported dynamic metadata right away instead of confusing consumers with even more formats.
       
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      HDR10 was basically a gift from Dolby. Dolby were never going to give away for free what they could go away and sell. They kept the dynamic aspects back for implementation into Dolby Vision HDR and plonked a license fee on it. HDR10+ is solely developed by Samsung, with additional help from other parties such as Panasonic. The objective is to avoid having to pay Dolby the associated license fee and for them to not be beholding to Dolby when it comes to how HDR10+ is implimented into their hardware.
       
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      Hi

      What will probably happen is Samsung will make a statement to say they are currently working with Amazon to enable HDR10+ on 2017 models, and hope to have a firmware update available in the coming weeks to enable it on selected models only. That's what is currently happening with iPlayer and 4K HLG support. Basically they will say anything to ensure ongoing Christmas sales, but will anyone be watching HDR10+ via Amazon on a Samsung TV Christmas day?

      Anyone seeing HDR10+ today?

      Regards

      Phil
       
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      Hdr10+ is nearly free so if it is good enough, it should simply replace hdr10.
      It doesn’t have to in the absolute as it is just an additional base layer anyway

      Will be good that all hardWare have hdr10+ as default when dv not available in content or players...

      We will know more ces 2018
      Netflix also monitoring this format
       
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      If LG can update firmware for HDR10+(if hardware allows) they would stamp their feet further into Samsung's Market. Correct me if I am wrong but LG is currently supporting HDR,HLG, Dolby Vision and Technicolor.
       
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      Yes agree youu would have thought. When I first heard of HDR, I assumed that it would be dynamic to match the content, but hey what do we consumers know....
       
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      Hi

      Just had a look at some Amazon HDR10+ on my Q7F. The Grand Tour had resolution well below what 4K should be, guess that's the compression, the opening scene into the set was full of noise and fuzziness. The HDR started out looking very gimmicky, just like the brightness and contrast had been ramped up like buy me settings in the shop. They started out in the studio which was quite dark but the set opened out into the outside country side, this showed off HDR and the outside scene came in very bright, but it was just like watching someone stood in front of a bright window in real life, the hosts became a silhouette almost and my eyes couldn't cope with the contrast even if the TV can, it was actually uncomfortable to watch at some points. They need to get better with filming this stuff and not use HDR as something of a gimmick like they do with 3D and props deliberately pointed at you for maximum effect but minimum realism. Is this native HDR or just something tweaked with after the filming?

      Will watch some other stuff later and see how it fairs. Compared to HDR clips seen on YouTube and how good they look (and even bog standard HD like the Blue Planet), the dip into the Grand Tour and HDR on Amazon looked pretty rubbish I have to say.

      Regards

      Phil
       
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      Does Amazon Prime (UK) support Dolby Vision just now or is it HDR10/HDR10+ only?
       
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      No HDR10+ support for Samsung 2016 TVs ?

      Will be my last Samsung TV!
       
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      Do you know something we don't know?
       
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      The only thing i know is that today, theres no hdr10+ in 2016 tv.
      No word about that from samsung in the day it lauched support for 2017 tv...

      In some news in internet was said that in the summer samsung lauched support for hdr10+ in firmware 1180... if that was true why we don’t have hdr10+ ?
       
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      It's in Samsung and Amazon's best interest to get HDR+ on as many screens as possible, although I could possibly understand if Samsung wanted to promote their 2017 screens first (no excuse though).

      I checked on the Amazon app last night, and could see the usual 4k shows with 'HDR' and '5.1' next to them. Are Amazon differentiating HDR from HDR+ in any way? Should we see a different label on the program info?

      The KS range have had HDR+/HLG support since firmware 1180, so for quite a while now. There isn't any technical reason why they can't play HDR+ content, but then I also don't know why the KS aren't included in the BBC's Blue Planet II 4k/HDR iPlayer trial. Makes no sense.
       
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      Hi

      Currently no Samsung TV is included in the Blue Planet trial, I know the 2017 models are on the list but they need a firmware update, which from remarks from Samsung may not be until mid January, exactly the time the trial ends! So their inclusion on that list is nothing more than PR and riding the trial bandwagon, will be nice to be proved wrong.

      Regards

      Phil
       
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      Lol everyone I know who owns a Samsung TV says that it will be their last!
       
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      Don’t agree with that my friend. God knows Samsung screwed up with the qled shambles but many friends are happy with their ks in particular

      Qled aside, they are no worse than Sony or pana which frankly were as bad in updates and all...Sony improved the most

      Update for 2016 still expected...
       
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      You are sure that in firmware 1180 there is support for HDR10+? I think only HLG and not HDR10+.
      Is my opinion that Samsung KS serie don't receive Update for HDR10+
       
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      Samsung made a pretty big announcement in Q1 this year that HDR10+/HLG would be baked into 2017 TV's and made available as a firmware update for 2016 sets 'later in the year'. There was plenty of news about it at the time, although based on this Reddit post, timescales were wrong.

      HDR10+ support added to 2016 Samsung TVs in latest firmware (1180), according to an insider; Amazon to release HDR10+ content by end of August • r/PS4Pro

      and Samsung's official announcement from April this year;

      How HDR10+ Creates “Like Real” Images

      It does appear though that the HDR10+ support on Amazon may only be for 2017 screens at the moment. If so, that's a bummer!
       
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      KS7000 owner here. Am I the only person who doesn't know the difference between HDR and whatever this new announcement is

      I get 4k HDR in Amazon Prime already - is this new HDR10+ something better?
       
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      Hi, I might know what your issue is.... Amazon prime seems to use adaptive bandwidth streaming - it starts at one point, say 720p, while it builds a buffer for a better resolution.
      If you hit the info button, you'll see it will jump from 1080p HDR to 4k HDR after about 1 minute - which ties in with the intro looking fuzzy.
      That's exactly the same for me.
       
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      How do I know on the Samsung TV in in HDR10+?
       

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