NEWS: Samsung announce first HDR LED Cinema Screen

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    1. hodg100

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    2. Pecker

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      The beginning of the end for projection?

      Presuming they can get the price down enough (and the very existence of this item suggests they can, or at least think they can), only two problems remain:

      1 - Motion handling. Only DLP and Plasma have offered resolution during movement equivalent or close to that of a still image, with LCD & OLED only offering c.300-400 lines equivalent on a 1080p screen, together with a certain amount of blurring, judder, etc.

      2 - How to get the bloody thing in place. Do-able perhaps in a cinema, but how will we get 100"+ screens into home cinema rooms. Perhaps LG's 'roll up' technology will come into play.

      The only thing I can think of for motion handling is black frame insertion. It makes the image flicker, but if it can be done at the same rate/ratio as 35mm film there shouldn't be an issue. It also decreases brightness but, let's face it, compared to normal projection this technology appears to have brightness to burn.

      Indeed, I suspect that, with a screen this large, brightness will have to be reigned in to avoid eye strain.

      Bring it on.
       
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      I wonder if anyone in the uk will place an order?
       
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      Apparently this system is even more expensive than 4K Laser projection (which weighs in at around $1million per auditorium) and there's still only the 2 of those in the U.K. (Sheffield Cineworld and Leicester Square IMAX) to date.

      Does the Future of Digital Cinema Mean the End of Motion Picture Projectors?

      So guess the UK multiplex operators are waiting to see whether the current installations in USA are proving to be profitable.

      http://www.bizjournals.com/losangel...2017-laser-projection-a-hot-topic-but-do.html
       
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      Yes, and Southampton recently got some "exciting" laser tech in as well.

      Maybe we'll get 32K in my lifetime for 52ft Imax screens :D
       
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      I see that there's no mention of 4K on their website...

      https://www.showcasecinemas.co.uk/e...n/?&cinema=showcase-cinema-de-lux-southampton

      So I assume that it's merely one of Barco's 1,500 2K laser installations worldwide, as I'm sure Showcase would make more of a song and dance about it if Southampton was amongst the far more exclusive club of 200 cinemas that have 4K laser :smoke:
       
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      3. Audio - Currently at least the dialogue channel sits behind the screen - on large installations there will be multiple speakers as part of the object audio setup

      EDIT: Maybe time to ressurect the Mission NXT flat surface speakers
       
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      I think Sony CLEDIS would make the next gen display techno for high end Cinemas.
       
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      Good point, I'd not thought of that.

      If you have 2 centres, one above the screen and one below, it'll sound like it's coming from the centre of the screen unless they are further apart than the viewer is from the screen.

      You possibly don't even need that proviso, as we're less accurate in locating sound from the vertical than the horizontal.
       
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      does it do 3d ;)
       
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      An interesting development, but I guess the price will hold it back. The current ranges of 2k/4k cinema projectors in many multiplexes are so cheap that it makes them attractive to operators. The movie industry will have to up its game to produce material to match these specs. 2k finished movies are pretty much the norm at the moment.
       
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      Yeah I think cinema owners will not be as easily fooled into replacing their expensive 2k projectors with even more expensive 4k projectors when they know that the movies are really only 2k upscales mostly.

      I'd love this kind of tech scaled down for home cinema use but maybe not possible to do it cost effectively if they cost more than 1 million each for commercial use.

      If they even produced a 2K version of it with that kind of brightness and sharpness it would still be interesting for home use ;)
       
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      Interesting, but it somehow feels wrong.
      Cinemas have always had a projected image and it's all part of the experience.

      This is just watching a big telly.
       
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      My stepdaighter, when first taken to the cinema, said it was just a big telly.

      I sort of get your point but I think I'd need to see one in the flesh to see if was a particularly different enough experience. Like you, my guess is that it'd be different, but the reality might be that they're not as different as we expect.

      Just one thought, do they use local dimming? The pixels will be bigger, so I presume they can have more zones.
       
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      Speaking of dimming, just think how bright the actual cinema will be with a giant tv.
      Cinemas should be dark.

      A "normal" sized tv can easily light up a room as the light is emissive.
      You don't get that problem with a projector and screen as the emitted light comes from a tiny lens, the light from the screen is reflective, so the cinema is relatively dark.
       
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      Yes, but a cinema really should bde able to control the colour of the walls.

      In addition, increased brightness helps contrast. I have an OLED TV (superb backs) in a room with light walls. The contrast is far superior to my cinema room where I have black velvet around the screen for 1m into the room.

      Cinema screens, by definition, are designed to reflect as much light back into the room as possible. Many flatscreens have filters which try to negate this.

      What the overall end result will be remains to be seen. I'd love to see one.
       
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      Good call. A company named HiWave own the tech now. I believe they perfected the exciters so that they could be mounted and used with very hard surfaces, even glass. So one big screen size speaker. And a giant great sub for LF.
       
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