NEWS: Playstation 5 will launch with 4K disc support during 'Holiday Season' 2020

SunnyIntervals

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That's what Sony are saying, yes. Reports today are suggesting that it's a feature still being developed, but Sony are aiming for complete compatibility with PS4 titles, rather than a selection of games.
 

StratManSi

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If it launches with GTA 6 then shut up and take my money!
 

Lancia34

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If it launches with GTA 6 then shut up and take my money!
Oh god we don't want another boring Rockstar game do we? ;)

Sony said their original plan was full backwards compatibility so that you can play a game on a PS4, save it, then continue playing on a PS5 and then go back and continue on a PS4 - completely seamless cross generation. This might be where they are having troubles but I'm sure they can sort it even though backwards compatibility is a very tricky thing as seen on other consoles.
 

Matson

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Oh god we don't want another boring Rockstar game do we? ;)

Sony said their original plan was full backwards compatibility so that you can play a game on a PS4, save it, then continue playing on a PS5 and then go back and continue on a PS4 - completely seamless cross generation. This might be where they are having troubles but I'm sure they can sort it even though backwards compatibility is a very tricky thing as seen on other consoles.
Yes...Yes we do want another Rockstar game :rotfl: Why wouldn't we when there so amazing.
 

FevreDream

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Good to see it’s got a 4K Blu Ray drive. A few months back I had a disagreement with somebody on a gaming site. I said it would it would support 4K Blu Ray movies, they were adamant it wouldn’t as it was a dead format walking. Off to find them now and have a good gloat. :)
 

Darth_terra

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Cost-friendly according to who though...? :rotfl:

The "justification" for the price could be along the lines of "If you have this sort of kit inside a PC it'd cost you £1000* so the PS5 is really cheap in comparison!".

* made up number
Cost-friendly to the mass market they don't want a repeat of the PS3 they learned their lesson, the mass market won't buy something that is deemed too expensive which at the time £425 for the launch 60GB PS3 was deemed too much.

Let's not forget a big percentage is parents buying for kids, that's why they went with £350 for PS4 at launch and why they will most likely go £400-450 for PS5.
 

LotusElan

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Cost-friendly to the mass market they don't want a repeat of the PS3 they learned their lesson, the mass market won't buy something that is deemed too expensive which at the time £425 for the launch 60GB PS3 was deemed too much.

Let's not forget a big percentage is parents buying for kids, that's why they went with £350 for PS4 at launch and why they will most likely go £400-450 for PS5.
I really hope you're right! :)

I've no idea what is seen as reasonable w.r.t. parents buying for kids, but there do seem to be a lot of them wandering around with the latest iPad/iPhone (for example), so perhaps my idea of a sensible selling price nowadays is a little bit out of whack with reality... :eek:
 

Giburrows

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I think I will stick with PC, I don't like how consoles mark up the digital side of things and the issues from a day one console.
 

FadgewackeR

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The Pro and no UHD.


"Sony's preference for its own components appears to have backfired when it comes to Ultra HD Blu-ray. The simple truth is that the company's own drive simply isn't ready."

People prefer to have one box that does everything under their TV.
You presume, that people all want to play UHD discs, as opposed to downloading them and / or streaming them...

A one box solution is great, but those that are AV purists will still likely go for a separate unit, at the best possible quality. In fact they'll have already had one, before the adoption into a console.

I was a bit pissed that the Pro didn't have a 4k BR player when I got mine (day 1), but the truth is, I don't believe I'd have actually put a 4k disc in it to sit and watch if it did have one. I get my 4k fix a different way.
 

LotusElan

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I agree, and will probably always have a separate BD/4K player unless the PS5 proves itself to be as acceptable/capable as the PS3 was for us for our first foray into BDs. We didn't have a BD player until we bought a PS3 and then it turned out to be a great device for that medium (or perhaps we were just easily satisfied!).

However I think it's not just about being able to play 4K UHD films though - a UHD drive will also allow the studios to put their (presumably) massive games on to perhaps a single disc instead of being spread over several. This is me assuming a lot of PS5 games will be substantially larger, file-wise, than current PS4 games! :)
 

Sonic67

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You presume, that people all want to play UHD discs, as opposed to downloading them and / or streaming them...
No I presume some people will want to play UHD disks...
A one box solution is great, but those that are AV purists will still likely go for a separate unit, at the best possible quality. In fact they'll have already had one, before the adoption into a console.
Which is also possibly dodgy thinking. A standalone player might have better quality construction, smoother eject mechanism, nicer remote, offer SACD playback etc. What it probably won't be doing is giving "deeper blacks" or whatever. A console and a standalone both read zeroes and ones off a shiny disk and then send them to the HDMI socket. That's it.
I was a bit pissed that the Pro didn't have a 4k BR player when I got mine (day 1), but the truth is, I don't believe I'd have actually put a 4k disc in it to sit and watch if it did have one. I get my 4k fix a different way.
Me too. I bought a Pro and a Samsung UHD player. They sit beside each other.
 

Tim2049

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This is great news regarding the 4k blu ray drive. I think Sony excluding it from this current gen has undoubtedly had a negative effect on physical media. Theoretically, this should be a nice little jolt to the format & it'll help keep us 'oldies' happy for at least a few more years to come...
 

BMox81

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Just goes to show how good the PS3 was though in terms of being an all-in-one option (for me anyway) - was my go to player the entire time I owned one. Always got updated, no issues whatsoever.

I have a Sony 4K player currently but would have no issues going back to the all in one option (I know Xbox do this currently) if it had Atmos/HDR 10 (and Vision) support out of the box.
 

MarkusThatch

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Just goes to show how good the PS3 was though in terms of being an all-in-one option (for me anyway) - was my go to player the entire time I owned one. Always got updated, no issues whatsoever.

I have a Sony 4K player currently but would have no issues going back to the all in one option (I know Xbox do this currently) if it had Atmos/HDR 10 (and Vision) support out of the box.
I'm thinking along these lines too, although sony doesn't currently support HDR10+ so I'm a little torn on this and there's also the issue of HDMI connections/frame rate as reported below:

PlayStation 5 Just Gave Most TV Brands - Including Sony - A Serious Headache
 

steviedr

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As the Pro didn’t have a 4K player I bought a Panasonic one, really can’t see me using the PS5 for watching film. I do however welcome it for those who haven’t invested yet, can only be a good thing for UHD, digital is great, but it doesn’t compare especially in the audio department (although assuming Sony’s primary reason for inclusion is disc capacity for games).
 

next010

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I'm thinking along these lines too, although sony doesn't currently support HDR10+ so I'm a little torn on this and there's also the issue of HDMI connections/frame rate as reported below:

PlayStation 5 Just Gave Most TV Brands - Including Sony - A Serious Headache
HDR10+ seems to going nowhere though it remains to be seen if Sony will even support Dolby Vision on the PS5.

If connected to a 60Hz output display (which is everything more or less) your only going to get a 60fps at best.

With 120hz output displays and VRR the problem is a lack of standardization, really Sony should just come out and mandate a specified VRR range of 40-120fps that all games must support on the PS5, as pushing a perfect 120fps is unrealistic given PS5 hardware and developer constraints.

Thats why VRR in tandem with 120hz output makes the difference smoothing out variable refresh rates.

Support HDMI-VRR 40-120hz TV's and Freesync 40-120hz PC monitors regardless of resolution, it can be 1080p, 1440, 2160p/4K and the console just internally scales up or down depending upon the output. All PS5 games would benefit and just run smoother, feel better.

What will undermine the above is if different TV makers start implementing different ranges beyond 40-120hz and only select PS5 games benefit leading to confusion.

This is what Xbox did when it added support for VRR/Freesync, it never specified a range and there are 60fps games that are still capped at 60fps even if running on a 120hz output display and 60fps games that don't work at all with VRR/Freesync.

Freesync PC displays are cheap and are the easy way to drive adoption, TV's will take a lot longer to spread through the market, of course if Sony dont support Freesync either then that will be another blow.
 

apolloa

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Hmm I’m going to actually hold out, I think Sony are going to price the PS5 too high and Microsoft will undercut them, plus Sony hasn’t announced a single PS5 launch game, Halo for Xbox Scarlett as we know is a day one release.
I also wonder what the PS5 will look like! If it’s that dev kit erm no...
Can’t wait for Xbox’s event in London next month as I hope they talk about Scarlett and announce some more news.
Think I’ve gone back to being split on which to buy, only want one of them as I don’t have the time for both..

And I’m definitely NOT buying into this whole this dev said the PS5 is more powerful and this dev said the Scarlett is more powerful.. you need to wait for them to be released and fully tested first really.
 

GeneticMutation

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Hmm I’m going to actually hold out, I think Sony are going to price the PS5 too high and Microsoft will undercut them, plus (1)Sony hasn’t announced a single PS5 launch game, Halo for Xbox Scarlett as we know is a day one release.
(2)I also wonder what the PS5 will look like! If it’s that dev kit erm no...
Can’t wait for Xbox’s event in London next month as I hope they talk about Scarlett and announce some more news.
Think I’ve gone back to being split on which to buy, only want one of them as I don’t have the time for both..

And I’m definitely NOT buying into this whole this dev said the PS5 is more powerful and this dev said the Scarlett is more powerful.. you need to wait for them to be released and fully tested first really.
1. Hoping for a February reveal and then hoping E3 2020 will be solely dedicated to PS5 and its launch titles.
2. Does it really matter what it looks like? Most people put then in a cabinet under the tele never to be seen again.
 

MartinH32

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I'm a PC gamer so getting neither....... Who am I kidding. I love new console day. If it's the 360 type hype train then I'm on it.
 

apolloa

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1. Hoping for a February reveal and then hoping E3 2020 will be solely dedicated to PS5 and its launch titles.
2. Does it really matter what it looks like? Most people put then in a cabinet under the tele never to be seen again.
Yes it does matter what it looks like when it’s in your view all the time... not everyone hides consoles away in a cupboard or stand.
I don’t think we can rely on a February announcement at present because of all these interviews Sony has been doing with Wired. We will see though, they really need to turn up at E3 though to get maximum press coverage I think.
 

Lancia34

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Yes it does matter what it looks like when it’s in your view all the time... not everyone hides consoles away in a cupboard or stand.
I don’t think we can rely on a February announcement at present because of all these interviews Sony has been doing with Wired. We will see though, they really need to turn up at E3 though to get maximum press coverage I think.
They won't turn up at E3, think less and less will turn up each year. They'll hold their own reveal like last time, probably a month or few weeks before and then whoever does bother going to E3 from the games publishers can show off some of the PS5 games they are doing.

Expect May reveal then the trickle of details and games over the next 6 months. Maybe there will be something earlier in the year but it never makes sense to fully hype anything until much closer to release when pre-orders can start.
 

DAZ UK 74

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Plan 1: Pre-order a Pro (If Pro available at launch) as soon as available.

Plan 2: Pre-order a normal as soon as available and then pre-order a Pro as soon as available if one is released after launch.

Plan 3: I take up cross stitch and make everyone a doily and become a billionaire via my doily making twitch streams.

I will do the same with the XBOX.
 

shoestring25

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1st thing buy a new HDMI 2.1 tv then finish off my ps4 backlog then a couple years later buy a ps5 and start working my through the now cheap launch games.

yes i will also get an xbox because my mates only ever buy xbox and then moan they have no games to play
 

Knight Rider 1963

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From what I've been reading, the PS5 will allow you to download a portion of a game (Mutiplayer or Single Player) and then download the rest later on.

Has this been done before?
 

Morty

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Yeah, it's good news that Sony and Microsoft are pushing out these more powerful consoles with multifunctions but look at the xbox1x at present, it's a great console but there's no point in having an all singing and dancing powerful console when devs are pushing out games that come no where near pushing the limits or upping the quality of games. It's like having a ferrari and using it to run to the local store and back which kind of negates the point of having it. As for digital only our broadband network is no where near good enough or has decent coverage in the UK and the US are in even worse position. We're doomed.
 

shoestring25

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From what I've been reading, the PS5 will allow you to download a portion of a game (Mutiplayer or Single Player) and then download the rest later on.

Has this been done before?
yes they did it at the start of the generation killzone shadowfall was an early example where you could choose to install the single player or multiplayer
 

Lancia34

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yes they did it at the start of the generation killzone shadowfall was an early example where you could choose to install the single player or multiplayer
I remember that. Does seem like a good idea but as DF said they would use pretty much the same assets so only difference would be some code and a few textures etc... doubt it’ll save anything at all really.

I’m expecting a 1TB SSD PS5. They might do a 2TB version for £80 more or something but I presume external storage can be attached to store games on and then when you start playing it moves the data onto the internal SSD.
it’s similar to tiered storage you get in SANs where data is moved to a slower tier if not used for some time and then when accessed again it’s moved back. All seamless in the background with a small slowdown on access the first time.

Even my current 2TB SSD in my Pro is always full up. I don’t have many massive games but quite a lot of medium sized ones which take up all the space.
 

shoestring25

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I think storage is going to be an issue they arnt just going to be using a bog standard SSD the storage maybe even being integrated into the main board. external storage wont be as quick so you wont able to play a game off it. consequently you may well have to move a game to the main system storage to be able to play a game.
 

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