NEWS: Pioneer announces flagship 4K Blu-ray player

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    1. Aaron Macarthy Beards

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      If you can afford it, why not go for it, as it will certainly look impressive in the rack. (Nice to dream about as well)

      Bill
       
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      jesus, and people thought the oppos were expensive, i will wait for the review, but still very happy with my oppo 205
       
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      multi regional out of the box for that price then
       
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      ...perhaps it should instead be referred to as their "CommandTank" ;)

      (Tried "flagtank", but it looked all wrong!)
       
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      is there a market for equipment like this in this day and age?
       
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      Just made the Oppo look cheap. I can't see why anyone would want spend a heap of money and in a few years it's out of date. if it was a record player then maybe.
       
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      Unspoken but implicit in the development of things like this is the idea that this is the last physical format and- by extension, this is the last player you're going to buy.
       
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      If you have a heap of money you have to spend it on something...
      I can't see why people would want to spend £5K++ on a watch but people do. Enough of them in fact that moped watch mugging is a growth 'industry'.

      But as people would perhaps be buying this for the audio side of things what is going to become out of date? CD/SACD/DVD Audio are hardly changing technology wise year on year. What the player does offer is a very stable and quiet platform to play discs from. The vibration damping and sound proofing is engineered to provide that.

      While the Panasonic UB9000 still needs to have a cooling fan, the Pioneer "has been designed, from the outset, to operate without the need for ventilation holes in the top and side panels, a common source of internal noise leakage from transport mechanisms. When this player is in use, it will be your disc’s content that you hear, not the player"
       
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      That maybe true, but what are you getting over and above say the CA CXUHD?
       
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      Another 8-9kg of case metal allowing The Sound of Silence to be heard in silence...;)
      The CX-UHD at 5kg is a mere Candle in the Wind compared to the 13.8kg Pioneer.

      Is there a heavier player available? If not, there is the cachet of owning the Heavyweight Champion of the (audio) World.
      'Cause nothing compares
      Nothing compares to you

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      £2000! This is a joke right !
       
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      The DACs and the corresponding analog out?

      And subject to your individual opinion, perhaps a better build quality and a more prestigious brand.
       
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      Don't think that's a perhaps, more a definite. CX-UHD vs UB9000 vs LX800 below.

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      People have often refuted my long held claim that picture and sound will be 99.9% the same on for a example a top end Oppo vs. a bottom end Pansonic UB300 UHD player. There are differences in upscaling and chroma processing but even these are negligible in real life usage.

      When I see products like this at £2000, beautiful as they are, I wonder is it me that's out of date on the subject? My understanding has always been that digital signals will be output exactly the same assuming that the comparable devices support all the same video and sound formats (barring the aforementioned chroma/upscaling differences).
       
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      But doesn't that example involve analogue outputs for video? If so, that would be a totally different arguement, no?
       
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      There are plenty of places in most home cinema set-ups where another two grand pumped in can make a big difference. Me? I'd replace my two 300w subs with some monster 1500w b***ard from SVS. But upgrading to this over an Oppo, say? You need your head examined.
       
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      I think you need to look at this as a multi disc player and DAC and it makes perhaps a little more sense if it can do the following -

      1. Match a standalone £600 dac.
      2. Match a £1000 CD player.
      3. Match the best available blu-ray/UHD players.

      The CD and DAC part would be used in a analogue output to a high quality amplifier. Now if you aren't using this part (and if it wasn't excellent) it would make no sense buying this.
       
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      That is true.
       
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      Yeah, the SACD/CD playback has always been a caveat I've brought up.

      People are always adamant on the apparent image benefits though.
       
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      That may be true to a point. In system with digital room correct like Dirac. That involves Re digitising the signal. So having a better dac is total negated.

      Furthermore and I don’t know if this is the case here, but if you want Atmos you need analog out for these channel and Oppo’s didn’t.

      Ive no sacds media as I use flac these days and Spotify and Qobuz services meet my needs

      Interesting to see how the new expensive players get on the real world. I don’t see anyone able to fill the Oppo gap with any other than an even more niche product than the Oppo was already
       
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      I think you need to forget about the av receiver for the additional benefits I don't think they are huge.
      The high end part of this is more to do with the stereo system and the audiophile guy who wants to listen to music via his/her best speakers and best stereo amp. Many of those try to set it up the best way possible in a suitable environment and don't like the idea of room correction fiddling with the sound........... But it has got to be a very good CD, DAC and possible streamer to entice them into the purchase.
       
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      If you can afford why not..
      People pay thousands for a rist watch, that they dont even watch "excuse the pun" and you cannot even watch any dodgy films on them :rotfl::laugh:
       
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      There won’t be any difference in 4K picture quality, but as it probably has better upscaling then cheaper products, (And TVs) lesser quality discs will probably look better.

      The tank like mechanism will also probably be more reliable than a cheaper one, (Not forgetting being quieter) which means less chance of problems with less than Steller pressed discs.

      In the rack it will also look the part in comparison with the cheaper one, which will look like something from poundland.

      Is it worth it, some people drive a Rolls Royce; however it does no more than a Mondeo (Including the same features) so if your budget it tight, go for a cheaper model as picture performance will be the same, but if you are flush and want something that looks the part as well as being top notch, pay the extra.

      Each to their own

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      I didn't want to be presumptuous. I personally think it's better built than the CA as well.

      So, 500 vs 800, I'm not sure. I have a Marantz SR7010 for surround, and I'd feed the CD/stereo SACD output from the player into my Electrocompaniet amp which has a killer DAC anyway. Any reason to buy the 800 when only using the HDMI outputs?
       
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      And my other half thought the Oppo 205 i got was expensive...:laugh:

      Pioneer have gone and smashed that assumption...:eek:
       
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      Look what a bargain I got dear...
      77% of the weight for just 65% of the cost.

      As we are now buying players by the kilogram the LX-800 is around £163 per kg vs £138 per kg for the 205. Both a bargain though compared to say a Panasonic UB820 at £190 per kg....;)
      Coming in cheapest is the Pioneer LX-500 at £97 per kg.
       
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