Vestel only ever produced European/UK low end models for them, on and off, since 2012. I don't know/believe that's a proper deal.What about the smaller sets being produced by Vestel? Will that stop?
Hmmm... they moved top end LCD over to OLED (replacing what they did when they made Plasma/with LCD covering low-midrange), so the HX800 can be considered "upper mid range", equal to Samsung's Q60T (same kind of price) and Panasonic's is more advanced and refined.Yeah the top lcd they had was edgelit and was priced as high as the topend sony and samsung, if you're spending over £1000 on a TV you've probably done some research, they're lacking apps as well.
Had a 58DX750 and was very pleased with it, but since then there's been a mixed bag of IPS screens, poor local dimming and lower refresh screens so I havent gone with them.
Have a Q70r at the moment and will get the X95J come black Friday.
TCL... from what I've seen, like most Chinese brands have the looks and the flashiness of the major Korean brands but when you drill down, they don't really back it up properly. They improve all the time but Japanese brands still have the edge on internal quality/refinement.
I was mostly thinking of things like upscaling, etc. I agree the Chinese are beginning to innovate, and after all TCL also owns a major panel maker (CSOT) which they started with technology/help from Samsung.That's not true. TCL have developed inkjet OLED technology which is set to drive down the cost of OLED panels massively. As part of the JOLED (Japan Oled) venture involving Japan Display, Panasonic and Sony this new production technique is likely to have significant and far reaching impact on the TV market within the next 3 years. LCD will probably fall off rapidly in that time.
Given the changing landscape of the TV market in the next 3 years then this move makes sense for both parties. Panasonic have wanted to get out of LCD for a while now because they don't see any worthwhile longer term investment in it. TCL on the other hand can benefit from the economies of scale the Panasonic venture will give them.
Don't agree re Panasonic/TCL. TCL and Hisense the premium Chinese brands though.A good move. Just can't compete with the money they have been charging for low end TVs and the Vestel contract was a big mistake.
I hope they can collaborate with TCL more in the future as they still have decent video processing.
Sadly they made a series of bad decisions in recent years, the main of which was continuing to use IPS technology in TVs they we're selling for high end prices. The second of which is the awful Firefox TV which is outdated, unsupported and with poor app choice.
If they can cut production costs and market TVs like their xX800 models at reasonable prices then they stand a chance of success imo.
I'm guessing this will mark the end of the Vestel deal. Doesn't surprise me since Vestel seem to now have a relationship with Hisense via Toshiba ownership. If Hisense drop out of that deal Vestel could be finished.
As for TCL themselves, they make fantastic TVs in the Americas but their European models have been hampered by poorer specs and Android TV. Even so, it's hard to justify buying Panasonic when the likes of TCL are now selling similar spec TVs at a fraction of the price. Looks like TCL may bring some higher end TVs to Europe this year. Panasonic should have done exactly what TCL did in the Americas and partnered with Roku instead of Mozilla.
Only in Enthusiast forums. Panasonic have had some massive sellers under the Vestel brand (just look at the number of reviews at Argos or Amazon for example for the Vestel versions).TCL are a far different proposition than what Vestel were. Vestel was an unmitigated disaster for Panasonic and if anything it really tarnished their brand name.
And it will be very easy for them to do so if other companies like Sony make similar decisions to Panasonic. I get your predicament when it comes to Chinese brands, but I think Panasonic really shot themselves in the foot. - This article is just proof they cannot compete on their own, and are doing the right thing joining forces.China will soon take over all consumer electronics. S. Korea will sell off brands one day!
It is, but the Toshiba brand is owned by Hisense. I don't know how long their contract is, but I don't expect it to continue once its over, since Hisense bought out the 'brand'.As I understand, the Vestel-Toshiba UK/EU deal is still under contract and has nothing to do with Hisense. Once the Vestel-Toshiba UK/EU contract ends, the Toshiba brand will go to Hisense who rebrand Hisense's premium models as Toshiba (as well as selling them as Hisense). This is what happens across Asian markets.