Could you explain why it isn’t a valid point anymore?
Because, from my point of view, understanding that my OLED will likely experience pixel wear, due to the nature of the organic technology employed and because I spent a lot of the time playing video games on it, and hence not last as long as my Samsung F8000 which is already 7 years old with no issues, was an important part of my purchasing decision. Even so, for me, the positives of the technology outweighed the negatives.
OLEDs will experience burn in at some point - it’s an inherent part of the technology.
Picture issues aside, some may not mind that you get slight artefacts on the display in certain situations, and instead are more concerned about the fact that they’re buying into a technology that has a shorter finite lifespan than competing technologies, and is disposed of quicker.
To say it’s not a valid point is critically incorrect - people have different reasons for buying different products.
There are people who have experienced burn in with 2017 and older OLED models.
There are many people who have used there 2017 and older OLED TVs in the same manner and haven't experienced burn in.
The reports of burn in on 2018 models, which have been around for 2 years, is practically zero.
I know that there have been engineering improvements but I don't believe this is the main factor that has all but eliminated the risk of burn in. The fact that loads of OLED owners used their 2017 and older TVs in the same manner and only a few of them experienced burn in suggests that the problem was the quality of the manufacturing process rather than OLED technology. I believe LG has improved the quality of their manufacturing process and this is why you never hear of 2018 and newer OLED TV models with burn in problems.
Sony OLED TVs use 2018 and newer panels. Have you ever heard of a Sony OLED experiencing burn in.
If it was me I would quit listening to these "OLED Burn In Activists", use some common sense, buy the OLED and live my life worry free.
Arguments For How Prevalent is OLED Burn In
The professional TV reviewers, Consumer Reports, and any other member with views that OLED is a rare occurance are incompetent with respect to OLED Burn In.
Consumer Reports Scientific Statistical Data is invalid when it comes to OLED Burn In.
Some of what rtings.com says about burn in is good, but their overall stance on burn in is incorrect. "Although we don't expect most people who watch varied content to have
any issues, OLED TVs, such as the LG OLED C9 do have the possibility of experiencing burn in. "
Because I have experienced OLED Burn In it can't be a rare occurrence.
Because I have experienced OLED Burn In it is pandemic and everybody will get OLED Burn In sooner or later.
There are to many cases on you tube and social media for OLED Burn In to not be a pandemic problem.
I know a lot about pixels and TV technology and I say OLED Burn In is a problem.
If OLED Burn In wasn't a problem then LG would provide a 10 year warranty like Samsung does for their LCDs.
The professional TV Reviewers opinions can't be trusted. They are in on a big conspiracy with LG to minimize the OLED Burn In issue. Professional TV reviewers have to suck up to LG in order to get special recognition at CES.
Gadgetobsessed AVForums poll shows burn in is at 35 percent for certain years.
Curry's and all of the other stores that sell TVs are in on a big conspiracy. They know that a huge number of their TVs are returned for OLED Burn In and they don't report it to the general public.
LG knows that their OLED panels are prone to burn in and they are conning all the other TV manufacturers to use their panels and manufacturer OLED TVs.
Sure would help if LG was more upfront about OLED Burn In.
The most reliable source of information on OLED Burn In is obtained from people on social media that have actually experienced OLED Burn In.
Warranty Arguments
If LG won't provide an unlimited warranty for OLED Burn In then they know it is a problem otherwise they would provide an unlimited warranty.
Dodgexander says,
It is what it is whether you like or not, it has been this way since the Plasma era and LGs take on it now won't be any different to how it was with their Plasma TVs in the past...
suck it up or let it go. Don't constantly make a fight in your head guys.
Live with the terms or move on and by an LCD, if you want to go on a crusade in the name of law, or take LG to court, by all means do so, but its discussion for somewhere else and not a thread to discuss warranty terms.
A 5 year warranty for all TVs regardless of the problem
(not just burn in) seems fair to me. We need to start pressing for a 5 year warranty for every TV manufactured whether it is an LED or an OLED. If the LED and OLED manufactures won’t give a 5 year warranty for their TVs we need to sue them. If a TV doesn’t last for 5 trouble free years then it is not fit for purpose.
The good thing about a warranty like this is that it would get rid of the poor quality TV manufacturers. We could bankrupt Vizio, Hisense, RCA, Westinghouse, and Element as they would have to repair or replace over 20 percent of their TVs. Even Sony, Samsung, and LG would have a hard time as their failure rate is around 10 percent in the first 5 years. It is time TV Manufacturers start paying attention.
Useful facts from dodgexander:
- The risk of burn in with OLEDs is actually less than it was in the Plasma days. It's no more likely to happen now than then.
- Its not only OLEDs that can suffer from burn in, abuse any type of display (even LCD) and you can get burn in. Just take a look at some of the old LCDs in pubs.
- Youtube is full of people claiming to be experts and misleading people, do not believe everything you watch on Youtube. I don't want to name and shame but there are some really laughable content creators out there who literally will say anything to make a few extra views. Do not believe their rubbish! I am sure if you read this, you know the kind of channels I am talking about.
OLED Burn In Tests Arguments
Vincent Teoh's test is pathetic.
rtings.com tests prove OLED Burn In is a serious issue.
Vincent Teohs tests show OLED Burn In is is overblown.
Rtings.com real life OLED Burn In test won't be worth much value for current Oled TV buyers. The six outdated LG C7 TVs they are using for their test don't have the logo luminance adjuster that exists on the C8 and C9 TVs.
Logo Luminance Adjustment - detects static logos on the screen and reduces brightness to prevent permanent image retention.
Vincent Teoh used an E8 TV for his test. This is a more accurate test for 2018 and newer models.
https://www.*/n/Extensive-Testing-Shows-OLED-Burn-In-Risk-Is-Overblown
Unopinionated's Views
If you fear burn in do not buy an OLED TV. Life is to short to be anxious and have to babysit your TV.
Finally I would point out to anyone that if cost is a concern go with a LED; IPS if you need wide angle or VA if you don't need a wide viewing angle. Most people will be fully satisfied with a mid range LED TV. Especially if you don't study the differences between LED TVs and OLED TVs.
Next I would say to stay away from certain brands (Hisense, Vizio, Westinghouse, RCA, etc.) as well because of reliability issues.
From Rtings.com*
Although we don't expect most people who watch varied content to have
any issues, OLED TVs, such as the LG OLED C9 do have the possibility of experiencing burn in.
Vincent Teoh
OLED Burn In Risk is Overblown
Consumer Reports
Their statistical data shows that OLED Burn In is such a rare occurence that they don't even mention it as anything to be concerned with except for some 2015 OLED TVs.
Data on 97,554 TVs owned by Consumer Reports members who purchased a new set between 2010 and 2018 has been collected. Many of these TVs are OLEDs. If Burn In was a common problem I am sure Consumer Reports would mention it.
Geoffrey Morrison and David Katzmaier of CNET
If you vary your TV viewing habits like most people, however, it won't be an issue. Even so, caveat emptor. Or as Caesar once said, "Conscientiam autem ardeat sed non anxius" (be aware of burn-in, but not concerned).
John Archer of Forbes
Occurrences of permanent screen burn in the real consumer world are now and will continue to be rare.
Atomicus of Chichester
One thing that seems abundantly apparent is that while by no means should it be suggested that burn-in doesn't exist, the problem is nowhere near as widespread or as much a certainty as some people fear and/or lead others to believe.
Reliability, viewing angle, and cost are the main differences between most TVs. Especially if you don’t game or watch your TV in a dark room. If you don’t study the differences between TVs you would have a hard time noticing the differences between the 55UK6500, low cost TV, and the high end TVs.
Rtings.com in their Best TV reviews says, “Be careful not to get to caught up in the details. While no TV is perfect, most TVs are great enough to please almost everyone, and the differences are often not noticeable unless you really look for them.”