NEWS: HDR10+ First Adopters Announced

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    1. hodg100

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      It now looks like a choice of either HDR10+ or Dolby Vision and not both, what a bummer. :(
       
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      Format wars are such fun, people just loved buying Video 2000, Laser Disc, HD DVD, Mini Disc, and countless others.

      Meanwhile back on planet earth, DVD came along as the sole format for high end SD video, and everyone both understood and bought it.

      The industry should have agreed a single HDR format before a single piece of hardware was made.
       
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      It’s not a new disc, it’s new metadata that can be added to discs. I imagine it will be a case of discs having both DV and hdr10+, eventually.
       
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      Eventually, i was hoping to buy a new tv next year, how long should i wait !
       
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      One that supports both Hdr10 + and DV ;)
       
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      Weren't 2017 Samsung models supposed to get the HDR10+ update late last year when the supposed Amazon Prime Video HDR10+ rollout? Cause that still hasn't happened...
       
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      Panasonic players support both formats. But will not support DV on their televisions and i can not see that changing in the future
       
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      Anyone know if the UB900 uhd player will get the update?
       
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      It won’t. Only some of the new range of players will support hdr10+, so I think it’s the 420, 820 and 9000 that were released this year.
       
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      ah yet another way to rip people off,
       
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      Doesn't this require HDMI 2.1 for proper implementation? Precious little of that around and the new models to be announced at IFA are not expected to have it either. DV requires only HDMI 1.4 I gather
       
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      We are -pleased excited and endless jargons to announce- blah blah. Please give this a rest.
       
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      Tomorrow at 2PM Panasonic are giving the IFA conference, apparently we might hear more about the HDR10+ update.
       
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      DV Dolby Vision dynamic metadata is embedded in the video signal so is backward compatible i am guessing its the same same with HDR 10+ Samsung and Panasonic support HDR10+ which are HDMI 2.0 so the answer is yes. But you still do not get a notification on Panasonic tv's that you are actually watching HDR10+.

      HDMI 1.4 supports 4k but limited to 30fps. So hdmi 2.0 was a big improvement that supports 4k60fps.

      HDMI 2.1 will again be a big improvement having increased bandwidth i think its 48 gbs you will be able to get higher native frame rates 8k support for future, also televisions will be able to output HD audio only the newer Sony AF9 will support partly hdmi 2.1 with eARC in this years oleds.
       
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      I'd say 'next year'. But next year you'll probably have a valid reason for waiting another year...

      Just the way it goes in these circles...
       
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      Content will be a big factor.
       
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      Have a look at the list, only 1 major content provider currently, along with Panasonic and Samsung for source/displays, and they are the 3 which are part of the venture. Panasonic are on the fence with UHD players with DV and HDR10+, lets see who else will come on board.
       
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      This is getting stupid.
      Why should people pay good money for things that will have been superseded in a year? That is if it doesn't lose out to something else at the same time.
       
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      Oh, so I wasted all my time and money making sure all my kit worked with the latest and greatest Dolby Vision then?
       
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      Why wasted? DV is pretty huge, and growing :)
       
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      Why are people in this thread acting like they didn't know HDR10+ existed?

      We've known for ages that theres both DV and HDR10+. People who have Samsung and Panasonic tv's have been waiting for HDR10+ to actually be usefull as so far its a feature that there not even using. This is great news for those people who own those tv's that can see something actually happening with HDR10+.
       
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      It is also about content, how many things do the providers have to support and then there are license fees which are passed on to us.
       
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      Yeah its just nice to see them pushing forward at last with HDR10+. So far its felt like a waste and have people wishing they had DV instead of it on there sets.
       
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      Whilst PQ improvements are always welcomed, it is a pity there has to be proprietary versions, that mean you have to sit one side of the fence or the other.
      As I have a 2017 Samsung I will not get a shot at either, but at least I have HDR10.

      It is annoying to see this kind of splintering, meaning that studios also have to chose or compress the video content harder to get both sets of metadata on the disc along with multiple versions of the soundtrack.

      I don't have an answer, but then even if I did I would have to persuade some very high level execs to pick one, and that isn't going to happen.

      So whilst I am irked by HDR becoming a format war (ish), I will just enjoy the TV I have for now and enjoy an upgrade to 8K in the future. In all likelyhood, 8K will be an internet format and the formats will be dynamic based on your set.

      Ultimately, we are all stuck with differentiation and whether companies are prepared to pay licencing fees, as to what we have as a choice. Personally I will no longer yearn after a particular type and go with the hardware that is reviewed as being the best, and that I can afford.

      What formats come with it are an irrelevance to me, because either you have to chose or wait or both. All I want is a good picture, not a spec list to have to read to work out which version I want.

      As one poster said earlier DVD was introduced and everyone jumped on board, why not the same here?
       
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      Plus the license fees to make a UHD disc.
       
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      I don't know why people are getting so bothered about this. It's only very small differences in the content format support, tiny next to the huge differences in hardware ability to actually reproduce HDR.

      Plus these are all fixed brightness HDR standards. They might have a future for home cinema, but I'd bet on relative brightness standards being more widely used in the long term. They're just so much more sensible for things like video watching on a tablet.
       
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      I've gone the DV route as it was the first one out. I cannot imagine HDR10+ been any better than DV, will be interesting to see side by side comparisons. Also with DV the percentage of discs that include it is increasing all the time. Like Toon Army said above, it will depend on content, and I just cannot see it taking off for at least 12 months..... will it be too late then?
       
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      Wasn't that the whole reasoning behind Samsung and Panasonic going on this adventure? They dislike having to pay Dolby for a license to include Dolby Vision and its associated processing and also aren't that happy at the way Dolby dictate what additional processing they themselves can apply while Dolby Vision is in use.

      The key factor will be that HDR10+ will be cheaper to use and employ than Dolby Vision because it isn't licensed in the same way as Dolby Vision. If it becomes apparent that HDR10+ is as good as or better than Dolby Vision then why will the hardware manufacturers and the film studios pay more to use Dolby Vision rather than HDR10+? The only advantage Dolby have is that Dolby Vision has had a considerable head start and it will need more than just Fox adopting this to win the market over.
       
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      Isn't the list wrong? Aren't Amazon and Warner Bros also signed up?
       

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