NEWS: HDR more important than UHD resolution concludes poll

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    1. Andy Bassett

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      Take note Sky.
       
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      I agree, it has such a significant impact on the image compared to resolution
       
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      And bit rate is more important than both after a resolution of 2k+ is achieved.

      Alas we'll always end up with the cheapest option over advertised and misrepresented.
       
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      Meaning?
       
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      Sky are not broadcasting any HDR content and it seems are in no rush to change. Meanwhile they are pushing UHD with low bitrates, so you just see a poor PQ in greater detail.

      UHD AND HDR is a lovely thing. The Wimbledon matches looked amazing compared to HD, but yes I'll take HDR over UHD

      However, this does not mean the relevant providers can drag their feet over UHD and low bitrates. I'd like to have my cake and eat it please.
       
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      Quality of source will always make the difference on a TV. When I watch stuff like Wimbledon on my 1080p plasma, it still looks amazing.

      I’d be happy with well produced 1080p with HDR tbf.
       
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      Irony is it took 4k to get hdr when it could have been done on HD. Perhaps there was not the headroom on the HD infrastructure. For me, 4k is paramount, HDR a nice add on.

      The survey is from some industry forum that probably sees a revenue stream in HDR.
       
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      I read that sky and bt hdr their feeds this year. Bt hdr 10. Probably explains the price increase.
       
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      BT already offering HDR with some stuff - the Champions League final was in HDR. Used the app on my ATV4K to watch it
       
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      And Star Trek Discovery is 1080p HDR
       
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      Pointless for the buyer maybe, but giving cheap sets the ability to read HDR data is good for the long term prospects of HDR as it means it can become the default picture quality spec more rapidly.

      Sony even did a couple of FHD models with a wide colour gamut, IIRC it was the WE75.
       
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      There is also the argument that WCG can be better than HDR on certain sets. Those cheaper ones with low nit values or edge lit LCD, might well produce a better picture with WCG with a 4K picture.

      It would be nice if a TV and source let you choose the combination that your TV will perform best with.
       
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      That was a mess - 1080 Dolby Vision with excessive 'artistic' grain added - Ugh!
       
    16. Joe C

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      We’ll have to agree to disagree on that, looked great to me (as a fan of things shot in film)
       
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      Did you watch it on a DV capable TV?

      Great - time for an 'analog vs digital' war. I don't mind *real* film grain, but artificially added noise for the hell of it that then gets enhanced through the DV grading process? Ugh!
       
    18. Joe C

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      No, not time to introduce that at all, hence the ‘agree to disagree’ comment

      EDIT: Regarding DV capable TV - yes, LG C8 OLED
       
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      HDR for season 1 Star Trek Discovery was bad (grain), even the blu rays looked a little off.

      Season 2 HDR was pretty damn impressive though!
       
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      Yup, I’m sticking with my Viera plasma until UHD HLG broadcasts are widespread enough to tempt me, by which time MicroLED televisions should be commonplace.

      The fact that 80% of U.K. cinema screens still use 2K projectors and Cineworld just placed an order for thousands of Barco Laser projectors but are mostly opting for 2K HDR units shows how little need there is for UHD on all but the biggest (or VR) screens.
       
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      There's every need for UHD projectors! sadly there is more need not to spend the money on them.
       
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      When I watch (non-IMAX blockbuster) movies in Watford I tend to prefer the pop of the Barco Laser 2K projectors up the new Cineworld to the Sony (xenon) 4K across town at the old Vue; as in the regular size auditoria the increased sharpness isn’t so much of an improvement as the HDR & WCG to my eyes.

      Would be nice if they’d go the whole hog like you say though but guess the best I can hope for is a Superscreen / VueXtreme which is built to a decent spec in order to compete with Dolby Cinema.
       
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      Season 2 was much improved over Season 1. There's quite a bit of 1080 HDR on Netflix. Sky could show GoT Battle of Winterfell in HDM again, that HDMud.

      Sky is supposed to get HDR sometime this year. I'll not hold my breath and to be honest I'd appreciate some better bit rate. Since GoT has ended I've only watched the excellent Chernobyl on Sky. Honestly don't know why I subscribe.
       
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      Maybe it is because i watch on a 106in screen from 10 feet away, BUT resolution over hdr definitely. I can imagine on a tv then hdr would be more important.
       
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      I have BT 4k sport, the rugby is superb and definition is great and very noticeable. HDR would not add a lot for me on that sport however it seems I am getting a price hike to cater for this HDR (in dispute and will drop it if it is not resolved after contract). I should add that the trial I watched via the BT Sport app on the Apple TV was OK but not a game changer.

      The Star Trek mentioned earlier is again OK (not on the old 950v LG app, that was terrible), that was on HD. It would have been nice to see an option to try without to compare.

      I think this will certainly be a personal thing for many. I only expect the industry to see some money in it not experience.
       
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      Read that BT HDR was not in HLG format, which seems unusual as the BBC uses HLG for its HDR content. And as you say, BT HDR broadcast was not impressive, not sure what system they used, probably bog standard HDR10!

      I think there will be a lot of experiment going on by the BT and soon Sky and so far BT's HDR offering was poor. BBC is still doing trials, even after a year. It'll take few more years to refine broadcast HDR coverage.
       
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      BT was in HDR10
       
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      Yep. HDR 10. I was surprised when I found out, HLG better suited to live and all that. I would like to see the workflow from camera to transmission.

      The same firms work on the broadcasts across the board. That is BT or BBC or Sky do not own the technical facilities at the sharp end (apart from a few bits). They hire them. I am wondering if this HDR is hype.

      Re BT, the test was through the App not its own dedicated 4k Box. For me that App was on Apple TV, as I understand it Apple TV has not enabled HLG on the box, just HDR 10 (rumours that Apple TV can do HLG?? but for some reason they will not). I expect there is some deal or reason but this is why they (BT) used HDR 10. Greater reach perhaps or teaming up with Apple as per rumours last year.

      Experimenting has probably been happening a lot, we don't get to see that.

      Either way it looks like we have to pay for it. A new scam.
       
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      No doubt Sky will hike up the prices for everyone regardless as to whether they have SkyQ to cover, or rather exploit, the upgrade to HDR.
       
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      Never had anything to do with buying sky and never will but BT recent price hike seems to be for this if you are on the package that gets you 4k.

      The hard work has been done dealing with 4k, acquisition, transport then transmission. My sceptical gene is on overload for cash grab. That and they are in trouble.
       

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