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NEWS: Harman International acquires Arcam

Discussion in 'AV Receivers & Amplifiers' started by Mark Hodgkinson, Jul 17, 2017.


    1. Mark Hodgkinson

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      The devil buys another. Why get into bed with Samsung. Pfffff
       
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      This is a smart move for Arcam and Harman, Harman really know what they are doing and will be able to invest heavily in the brand.
       
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      Or they could simply start using the Arcam name and brand on products that don't originate from Arcam?
       
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      Slightly cynical, but anything is possible.
       
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      One company buys another to gain something from that purchase. So Harman/Samsung want something from the purchase of Arcam. Sinking even more money into Arcam after buying it isn't really a good business reason for the purchase. So are you suggesting they've bought Arcam for a laugh or because they are stupid when it comes to business decisions? THey want something in return for their investment. What it is that they want and how they intend to get it is the unknown?
       
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      It can be if you believe that the company is undervalued or missing a trick. I've been involved in M&As with significant post acquisition investment that returned massively on the total spend.

      Unfortunately in this world I'm just a consumer so cannot speculate on the future
       
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      Oh. Not sure how to read this one. Give it a year and I guess we'll see by then.
       
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      Samsung bought Harman in order to make in roads into the booming automotive audio market. I'm not sure as to where Arcam fits into this though?

      Maybe samsung want a higher end brand name that they can exploit when it comes to multi room streaming devices and as a platform for their own connected technologies within a home?


      It all makes sense now. At last DIRAC for your fridge!:thumbsup:


      and yes, I know Arcam don't own DIRAC.
       
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      I would guess that they bought it for the reason stated in the announcement: Harman have a portfolio of high end brands, but none of these is in the AVR segment of the market (Arcam is perceived as "higher end" than Harman Kardon).
       
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      Marantz are not part of the Harman group and are part of the D&M group along with Denon.

      What Harman had to say about the deal actually suggests the Arcam name will be used in conjunction with new products as opposed to a desire to embrace Arcam's existing AV products:


      New markets?
       
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      I think the fact Harman teamed up with Trinnov on the Synthesis project shows they are not resting on their laurels or looking to make a quick buck. Im told this specific partnership will be of benefit to Trinnov customers as well at some point in the not too distant future. I think it will be the best thing to happen at Arcam for years and I remain wholly positive about it.
       
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      It wouldn't surprise me if Arcam disappears in all but name over time. It's happened many times in the past. The brand had a certain cache which has now been lost as it's been absorbed to all intents and purposes. The name will certainly continue I suspect, but could well turn-up on stuff made by Harman or Samsung. RIP Arcam .....


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      I was referring to this statement:
      At the same time, Arcam is better known in the UK market than elsewhere, something their new owners can help address - not that IAG's purchase of Quad yielded a significant increase of Quad's international presence.

      I did of course mean Harman Kardon - Audio Video Receivers, not Marantz (post corrected)!
       
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      I remember when Arcam was British built and made in England. Those where the days.
       
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      Me too. Had loads of kit over the years from Arcam and absolutely loved it. Not much left that's genuinely British now.
       
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      At one time I aspired to owning Arcam kit, but it was above my reach. Then I did own mostly Arcam electronics (AV9, P1000, DT81, CD82, DV137). Then Arcam repositioned itself, concentrating on AVRs, and as a result whenever I replace something, Arcam is no longer the option of choice.

      There's no tuner and I needed DAB+ (not DAB) and internet, so I purchased a Rotel, The BDP can't play SACDs and only has stereo analogue outputs (and the CD27 also can't handle multichannel SACD), and there's no UHD player. The AV9 will be next to be replaced, and I will not be buying an AV860 as it's missing too many non-AV features such as 7.1 analogue in, Phono option, or DSPs (and no analogue tape support, but I admit I haven't used that for recording for a while). All that will be left is the P1000, since it works fine, but when that goes there's no Arcam replacement.
       
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      Come on guys ... its not like Arcam has been an independent company for a long time now!

      Many brands have grown and strengthened from being part of larger organisations.
       
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      Does this mean a new av receiver every year now?
       
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      No, it means an old one every 8 years for more money :)
       
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      in 2009 I bought an harman/kardon AVR255. It was the most unreliable piece of hardware I ever had. Two years later sold it and bought a Yamaha AVR... it still works flawlessly!

      Normally, when a big company buys a little one, the quality of the products is reduced dramatically (the bean counters are responsible for this I suppose)

      I wanted to buy an Arcam because of Dirac, but now I am not sure...

      Sad, sad news :(
       
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      Arcam was already in the hands of the bean counters ... only now they are in the hands of a larger audio company.
       
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      IMO we shouldn't assume this move will be bad for the brand unless and until it (something bad) happens. For example, if the current problems with the SR250/AVR850 series of AV receivers are a result of insufficient development resources, Harmon will be aware of it and can fix it. Things like the clunky interface, arguments over DIRAC implementation, missing Android control application, poor tuner implentation etc. etc., may now be addressed so we can hope they will be.

      If not, many of us Arcammers will move on and potential new customers will continue to shy away. Harmon will be well aware of this, and I don't think they will ignore it.
       
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