NEWS: Freeview dropping Standard Definition devices from 2017

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    1. hodg100

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      VERY misleading thread title.

      They are only stopping use of the logo on non-HD (DVB-T2 tuner) receivers... an extension to the ban on use on TVs with >32 inch screens from 1st Jan 2016.

      Standard Definition broadcast services continue; with NO firm date for stopping them (yet) announced.
       
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      Does this mean that to be badged as Freeview, the set has to be less than 32"? And why would you need HD on a smaller screen anyway? (apart from the purists that is)
      That presumably means those living near one of the few main transmitters that actually broadcast com 7&8, leaving the rest of us without.
       
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      NO.

      Since 1st January 2016: Any (new?) TV with a screen diagonal 32" or more, to be allowed to use the UK Freeview Logo had to include a DVB-T2 tuner, and appropriate video and audio codecs for UK HD.

      From 1st January 2017: ALL (new?) receivers (TVs, STBs, PVRs) in order to use the UK Freeview logo must include DVB-T2 tuner(s), and appropriate video and audio codecs for UK HD.

      Note: all such receivers are backward compatible to the old DVB-T spec (which in the UK is SD only); and DVB-T2 carries SD services quite happily (as on COM7/8) as well as HD ones.

      Note2: This is hardly new information Freeview logo to be restricted to DVB-T2 compatible devices - a516digital I have been advising people to purchase of DVB-T2 only for a fair few years now.
       
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      Thanks Rod. That clarifies your original that I quoted above and had a bit of a problem getting my head around, not knowing the full SP.
       
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      Seconded.
       
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      Many viewers just don't see much difference between SD and HD. Pushing button 1 to get BBC 1 (SD) etc is as far as many people bother to go. There is widely held assumption that if you have a HD TV everything is naturally HD.
       
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      Even a516digital put out a article today despite their older post.

      Freeview to start new year with HD "landmark" - a516digital

      from their article "
      • January 2017: All new devices sold will have to support Freeview HD in order to carry the Freeview logo.
      • 2017-2019: Remaining BBC regions and nations not in HD to become available in HD, according to BBC information issued ahead of the recent Charter renewal.
      • Second half of 2017-early 2020: Changes to the Freeview service, including frequency changes on a region-by-region basis, culminating in the further adoption of the newer DVB-T2 standard used by Freeview HD devices for the distribution of Freeview channels.
      • "
       
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      But not with an inaccurate headline.
      (Some Journalists never let the facts get in the way of a good story).

      This is all resulting from the digitaluk press release which IMHO should have been linked to in this thread's OP/article.

      You are just being PEDANTIC for pedantic's sake.
      DVB-T2 tuner is essential in UK for HD. Other countries can do it with DVB-T but that is irrelevant to the UK Freeview logo use requirement; to use logo needs -T2 full stop. This was all also clarified in a later post.
       
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      Agreed, but "HD Tuner" is commonly used ,perhaps incorrectly, to indicate a TV that is capable of receiving T2 broadcasts. It's the same as using the expression "Freesat tuner".
       
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      But as I have already said the tuner has nothing to do with HD capacity yet you are still saying a DVB-T2 tuner is essential when you mean a DVB-T2 decoder. I'll try again. There IS NO SUCH THING as a DVB-T2 tuner. It is down to the hardware/software decoding..
       
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      WE ALREADY KNOW THAT. Just using the term as it is colloquially used, albeit factually incorrect. It's the same as using the expression 'digital tuner'. There is no such thing in the TV world. Again, it's the decoding and post processing that makes it a digital TV. And while we are on about it, what about digital aerials?:rotfl::facepalm:
      Enough already.:D
       
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      What a lot of fuss about what does not exist including digital aerials. I know some people who don't know better use these wrong terms, but on here we should no better and use correct terms.
       
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      Hogwash. You are just being totally pedantic. In the electricity supply no-one refers to pylons. They are grid towers of a specific type. They come as a standard height, if you need a taller one for topographical ground clearance reasons you order a tower type xxx plus a height extension of the appropriate size. Angle towers because of the unbalanced conductor loading are a different stronger type.

      I could understand your point if it causes problems. There is nothing wrong in telling buyers they need a DVB-T2 or DVB-S2 tuner. Imagine asking the average salesman if it had DVB-T2 decoding rather than just asking about it's tuners.

      Should I constantly point out to posters referring to the grid towers in my avatar that they technically aren't pylons ?
       
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      Technically a sunset is really a Earth rise. See you at the pub after todays earthrise :clap:
       
    17. winston2010

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      What on earth have those ugly monstrosities blighting the countryside got to do with digital TV?
      Completely off topic.
       
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      Now now chaps, behave, it's Christmas [emoji1]
       
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      Many years ago I asked my ultra-smart sister a joke question:

      'Who started the Pedant's Revolt?'
      Before she could formulate an answer, I offered:

      'Which Tyler'
      She looked puzzled for a moment and then responded:

      'Surely it was Wat Tyler .... and it was the Peasant's Revolt'



      ....​
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      Being pedantic about any matter requires a careful and tactful approach.
      I can demonstrate how irritating it can be to be unnecessarily pedantic and tactless by pointing out that above should be '...we should know better'.

      Please try to avoid it - or if you have a special passion about such matters ( which you evidently do) then please present your standpoint with care. Thanks
       
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      No more off topic than your ridicolous assertions. There are dozens of similar technically inaccurate names for technology in existance. Nobody cares because they are generally accepted and understood except for certain pedants :rotfl:

      How many times have you heard so and so was electrocuted and is now recovering in hospital. If you are electrocuted you are dead. :eek:

      Without those monstrosities you would have no electricity to power anything including digital TV.
       
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      Hang on a cotton pickin' mo GLT. It wasn't Winston that started all this. It was Nathan about the use of 'T2 tuners'.
      But GLT's posts seem to cover both pedants adequately.
      The other pedantic point, if I may, is that if you are going to post pedantry and criticise the posts of others, make sure that your spelling and use of words is correct to avoid return pedantry to further clutter up the thread with dross.
      Anyway, they are pylons. Everybody knows that.:laugh:
       
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      Not quite everyone :)

      Google National Grid L2tower spec and load the pdf in the first hit.
       
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      Merry Christmas everyone. :)
       
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      They are one and the same.

      The axe will fall at some point.
       
    25. TJT1

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      You mean that the same person has two different ident's? Surely that's against the forum rules?
      Or do you mean both are pedants?
       
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      Yes - it is against the forum rules.

      He may wish to contact me privately.
       
    27. High Fidelity

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      Is that mainly the local news at 6:30pm. That's when I have to do the 'button dance' every damn night, and back again 15 mins later. Right PITA.
       
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      Yes, of course they are.
      Perfectly normal.
      BBC English regional news is in SD and will continue so... although - if financial approval is forthcoming following the new Charter starting on 1st January - they plan to upgrade them to HD, on Freeview LCN 101, over the following 24 months. (2017-2019).

      Your TV (or stb/pvr) already meets the requirement that Freeview have mandated all NEW devices must meet to use their logo which is being reported in this thread.
       
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      And bad news is still bad news even in HD :rolleyes:
       

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