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Completely agree. The nearest fast charge points to me cost 35p/kWh. That is 7 times the amount octopus charge on their new night rate tariff for EV...and (IMO) this network won't have a huge effect on peoples' vehicle choices, if the power costs going on three times a decent domestic tariff - which is
- typical of many UK rapid networks
- daylight robbery
- enough to bring the fuel cost of an EV close to that of an efficient model ICE.
Whereas, in Norway - country that really means it.........
Whereas, in Norway - country that really means it.........
Well that is not the whole story is it. The UK has previously been a net exporter of oil and gas, and will be an exporter of oil soon.Who can afford to do this thanks to their largest export - petroleum
17% of GDP.
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Nigel
Well that is not the whole story is it. The UK has previously been a net exporter of oil and gas, and will be an exporter of oil soon.
The difference is that Norway pretty much kept the oil and gas fields under its own ownership, and created a fund from it to invest in
The fund
It could essentially give everyone in Norway 200,00 USD if it sold all its assets.
Do not forget the average income tax rate in Norway is 40%, and cost of living is generally higher.
People like to compare the UK to Norway, but they are two very different countries. One has invested in itself significantly, whilst the other has not
They also have cheaper tolls on the motorways for EVs,for example a 166km/100 mile Journey from Oslo to Lillehammer hits you with £8 each way in a diesel, whilst an EV is less than £1.
I’m sure Norway will catch up soon though.One has invested in itself significantly, whilst the other has not
I would disagree. If you are driving for 3 hours, a quick 45 minute charge is probably a welcome break.Clearly the charging infrastructure is important for long distance journeys
Just shows we are all different. At home charging is no issue for me, we could accommodate 7 cars without making any changes. What we are used to do is drive down to the south of Europe, normally set off around 9pm, drive each for 2 hours and literallly leave the engine running whilst we swap. Having to have a mandatory pause for 45 would mean that the children wake up. Exactly the thing we want to avoid.I would disagree. If you are driving for 3 hours, a quick 45 minute charge is probably a welcome break.
It is those who cannot charge at home the charging infrastructure is important for. I do not own an EV now, as I cannot charge it at home. Like many others.
Sorry, you're quite right. I'd not even considered that there would be EV owners who couldn't charge at home. It's a problem they need to solve (I like the idea of putting charge points in all lamp posts from now on).I would disagree. If you are driving for 3 hours, a quick 45 minute charge is probably a welcome break.
It is those who cannot charge at home the charging infrastructure is important for. I do not own an EV now, as I cannot charge it at home. Like many others.
Just shows we are all different. At home charging is no issue for me, we could accommodate 7 cars without making any changes. What we are used to do is drive down to the south of Europe, normally set off around 9pm, drive each for 2 hours and literallly leave the engine running whilst we swap. Having to have a mandatory pause for 45 would mean that the children wake up. Exactly the thing we want to avoid.
With my parents we did the same thing when growing up.
Seems so, but not from Calais to ItalyIs the motorail from Calais still running?
We used to catch that down to Milan, overnight with the cars on transporters behind - a massive long train, with loads of carriages of couchettes and load of trucks carrying the cars - pulled by two or three engines.
Always a big adventure for us kids - especially on the way back once, when my younger brother, climbing into the top bunk, accidentally pulled the alarm cord!
This massive train screeched to an impressive halt in pretty short order. The guard, worked his way through the carriages looking for the pulled alarm cord until he reached the last carriage, where my brother was in tears. He looked down at my brother, and mum, who was comforting him, shrugged his shoulders and said in a heavily accented English, 'French train, Italian railway, too much paperwork!' - wound the cord back into it's hole and off we went again! My brother has dined out on that story for years now!
Just shows we are all different. At home charging is no issue for me, we could accommodate 7 cars without making any changes. What we are used to do is drive down to the south of Europe, normally set off around 9pm, drive each for 2 hours and literallly leave the engine running whilst we swap. Having to have a mandatory pause for 45 would mean that the children wake up. Exactly the thing we want to avoid.
With my parents we did the same thing when growing up.
Not everyone likes a Tesla I, we, really tried to like them, but find it too cramped unless it’s an X, but find that one too ugly. The interior in my opinion is worth about 1/4 of the list price. And the list price is way too expensive. In my opinion the only thing they’ve got going for themselves are the super chargers, but even then realistically anyone would only need that when they exceed the range daily. So that is when one does say in excess of 70K miles per annum. Very few people require that regularly....Nice article but a little inaccurate I'm afraid.
It ends by saying we need cars that charge at rate > 100kW. Well Tesla's Model 3 charges at up to 250kW already (a charge rate of 1000miles per hour with the latest chargers). The current gen Model S&X do 150kW , soon to be upgraded to 250kW.
Also the Supercharger network is strangely absent from the article, it covers most of the UK already... We've been from Dorset to Inverness (not same trip!) and it's been perfectly fine.
Thought I'd add the above to ensure everyone getting a fuller picture ;-)
Woaaaaaahh a certain member will take offence to that, as he compares his X to a top line MercNot everyone likes a Tesla I, we, really tried to like them, but find it too cramped unless it’s an X, but find that one too ugly. The interior in my opinion is worth about 1/4 of the list price. And the list price is way too expensive.
We all like different things but not a change, not even close...yet its more expensive....Woaaaaaahh a certain member will take offence to that, as he compares his X to a top line Merc
People like to compare the UK to Norway, but they are two very different countries. One has invested in itself significantly, whilst the other has not
Nice article but a little inaccurate I'm afraid.
It ends by saying we need cars that charge at rate > 100kW. Well Tesla's Model 3 charges at up to 250kW already (a charge rate of 1000miles per hour with the latest chargers). The current gen Model S&X do 150kW , soon to be upgraded to 250kW.
Also the Supercharger network is strangely absent from the article, it covers most of the UK already... We've been from Dorset to Inverness (not same trip!) and it's been perfectly fine.
Thought I'd add the above to ensure everyone getting a fuller picture ;-)
One of the problems currently, and I admit that it will get better over time, is that the single counter to any argument against EVs is ‘Tesla’.