Wooooaaah be careful, he will gets his stats out again!
Whats the point of quoting facts in the face of blind ignorance?
Wooooaaah be careful, he will gets his stats out again!
Whoo, calm down, where did I suggest closing eyes??!!
Its 700 miles from Calais to Lake Como. The car would quite happily do 150-200 miles between Superchargers, at 70mph with no traffic thats about 2hr-2.5hr driving.
So x4 20-30 minutes stops/breaks for charging between stints seems reasonable, in what ever car providing you rest the day before. With Autopilot you simply get less stressed, but I've not suggested anywhere about falling asleep or not paying attention??
But actually most people simply don't drive those distances, 350 miles in one day with a few stops taking our time seems more reasonable.
The point is with EVs if you really really wanted to drive 600 miles overnight you can.
Drive through the night. Set off at around 9pm, switch drivers every 2 hours, leave the engine running, and the child wakes up happy in the Swiss alps in the morning. Have some nice breakfast and a fun and short journey to the lakes...
I really wouldn't mind doing that, with Autopilot wouldn't even need to swap drivers, charging on Tesla Superchargers wouldn't add that much extra time stopping on an overnight run but SWMBO isn't having any of it .
Whats the point of quoting facts in the face of blind ignorance?
As mentioned, the number of houses in that report was less than 0.01% of the total number of houses in the UK. So even if 60% had some off road parking, it doesn't not mean it is a true reflection of the whole of the UK.Whats the point of quoting facts in the face of blind ignorance?
Sorry but that is total twaddle. How many houses can charge at 100-250kW? As battery capacity and range rise home charging will become redundant for main charging IMHOWe may get to a point where actually Rapid chargers are redundant, as most EVs will have so much range most people will never need to refuel anywhere but at their house.
Perhaps it is context of where those live who can afford oneAs mentioned, the number of houses in that report was less than 0.01% of the total number of houses in the UK. So even if 60% had some off road parking, it doesn't not mean it is a true reflection of the whole of the UK.
It's not blind ignorance, it is god damn common sense man
It's not blind ignorance, it is god damn common sense man
Sorry but that is total twaddle. How many houses can charge at 100-250kW? As battery capacity and range rise home charging will become redundant for main charging IMHO
I’ve repeated the quote since what’s you said here is very different to your response to my comment on it. So much range people will never need to refuel at home. I feel the need to repeat that is total twaddle. These drives through the night aren’t to your house or anybody else’s where you can charge at residential rates (99.9999% of the time).We may get to a point where actually Rapid chargers are redundant, as most EVs will have so much range most people will never need to refuel anywhere but at their house.
My EV doesn’t exist yet - a Skoda Superb EV for less than luxury car tax here - about £36,000. When it is I won’t fit a charger at home
Ok. I have just checked and the houses in this area have no off road parking. On that basis, with my data sampling, 100% of people have no access to off street parking, making the EV, with today's infrastructure, redundant. You wasted a lot of money on that Model X of yours.Its called data sampling, its the basis of virtually all modern scientific, medical, and epidemiological research.
Sampling (statistics) - Wikipedia
Put the question differently. How many people without off-road parking would be able to afford a Tesla X? Perhaps there is a context to it?Ok. I have just checked and the houses in this area have no off road parking. On that basis, with my data sampling, 100% of people have no access to off street parking, making the EV, with today's infrastructure, redundant. You wasted a lot of money on that Model X of yours.
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Do you now understand how ridiculously inaccurate that article was?
I understand how data sampling works, but it is never has been, nor ever will be, an accurate measurement, nor a true representation, especially when the sampling data is less than 0.01% of whatever the statistics are for
None, why would need to charge at 100KW at your house when your car is parked there doing nothing for most of the evening/night?
Again, depends on the location. The city of London? Probably everybody. Most will likely have off street parking, but plenty of places that do notPut the question differently. How many people without off-road parking would be able to afford a Tesla X? Perhaps there is a context to it?
Possibly. My flat in London had valet parking in the underground garage When you go into Mayfair most of the parking garage have their super cars under cover, and rows and rows of electric charging points now.Again, depends on the location. The city of London? Probably everybody. Most will likely have off street parking, but plenty of places that do not
Perhaps a good opportunity to get three phase in residential properties. I foresee that it will become more standard over the coming years and add some value to larger and luxury homes especially.If you get home at 6:00pm and leave at 8:00am that's 14 hrs of charging at say 7kW that's 98kW. So you can currently comfortably charge a Tesla X 100. What happens when capacity goes up as it inevitably will, I assume?
For most people planning a big trip they would obviously plan it so they didn't need to do a full charge the night before, but that would assume they don't do high mileages for work.
If you get home at 6:00pm and leave at 8:00am that's 14 hrs of charging at say 7kW that's 98kW. So you can currently comfortably charge a Tesla X 100. What happens when capacity goes up as it inevitably will, I assume?
For most people planning a big trip they would obviously plan it so they didn't need to do a full charge the night before, but that would assume they don't do high mileages for work.
Of course. What we are challenging is that when longer ranges and bigger batteries come along rapid chargers will become redundant.If you have the ability to charge your EV at home, to refuse to do so and than rely on public rapid charging just seems nuts.
This would make sense, if the data was not from less than 0.01% of the total housing market. If the figure was 10%, and they actually published exactly where the data was gathered, then it maybe more believable.I don't know how the research was done to arrive at the 88% figure used in the linked article, but it seems likely that it was done (more or less) properly and that the samples used were a representative cross-section of the country as a whole. One can always take a google aerial snapshot of a particular specific area (such as, where one lives) and arrive at a conclusion that relates solely to that area. I could take a similar picture of the area where I live and show you virtually zero properties without driveways (and, no, it's not a "posh" area).
I have no basis on which to judge the national picture beyond what I see in articles such as the linked one and I prefer to believe that, nationally, the quoted statistics are probably fairly representative. In which case average joe does, in all probability, have a driveway and/or garage.
If you don't, then it makes you one of just 12% in a similar position.
Can you point me to these smaller EVs (particular non tesla models) that have a 400 mile range?100kWh of electricity added overnight give you 300 miles of range in a large EV like ours or near 400 miles in a smaller EV.
Under £20k for a brand new, non battery lease Zoe is what I have been offered.Ok, so what about average Joe. You know, the one that lives in a flat or terrace house on a good day. Can't park anywhere near there home.
Charging in my town is, well, not great at all. Some charging points in pay car parks. A couple of free slow charging points. Some on street charging in lamp posts with some very bizarre restrictions and cost. What is a smart cable?
Now, the second hand EV's mostly available are either the Renault Zoe, cheap but has a battery lease. No thanks.
Nissan leaf that's start locally to me at 10k for a 13 plate. Lucky if you get a 100 mile range, and at 6 years old probably nearing the end of its battery life. No thanks.
Then you have the i3 and golf, low range.
Then a few of the others that are way over average Joe's budget.
I probably be ok with a low range EV, I probably could charge it at home, just about.
But just the crazy charging infrastructure in my town alone is a turn off for me.
Maybe in a few years time.