NEWS: Apple iPhone sales in record fall

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    1. Andy Bassett

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      This is simply because iphone prices have been increasing year on year, and now its reached a new level of ridiculousness where prices for iphones have exceeded the £1000 mark!
       
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      I can't imaging that it's only iPhones that's suffering, top end smart phone are very expensive now. No real innovation. Yes, they are getting a bit faster and a bit better but not ground breaking. The market is also now very saturated.
      Example, I'm still using my Oneplus One and does everything I need, add a cheap sim only deal and voila. No need to upgrade yet.
       
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      I think market saturation and the fact that they are so fast and good has a lot more to do with it. I certainly don’t feel the need to update regularly. And further more, most markets are now covered.
       
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      I think that even Rs. 10000, we will get the mobile phone with good quality and apps. So people prefer that. And also the price of the iphone increases day by day.
       
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      You’ll never know until you’ve experience the difference. Been there done that and went back. Sure it works, but it’s not comparable.
       
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      I have just sold my technology funds oddly enough.
      The changes in mobile phones are getting smaller and more expensive every year plus various websites are reporting drops in new phone sales.
       
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      Oh, and 5G won't make much difference to the average user.
       
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      Not a surprise, people are happier to hang on to their phones for longer so sales are dropping and I doubt this is only affecting Apple. People pay more for the phone then keep it longer either by buying the phone outright or because they are on longer contracts where the mobile provider has subsidised the handset.

      Gone are the years where all of the manufacturers were dazzling us with feature after feature each year. As i've said before on other threads there arent that many things left to do currently until we maybe get a big jump in battery tech. Apple are always a little more conservative in only releasing things when its ready compared to some of the others like we've seen with the couple of Samsung disasters like exploding batteries or folding phones where the screens break.
       
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      Except for their contract costs and limited coverage :)
       
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      I get the impression Apple know they have priced themselves too high but not sure how to compensate. I am keeping my 6s till it dies, I like the product, I like the software, I like the iCloud integration but by eck them prices on the new phones are eye watering enough that I will hold out till the last.

      Obviously options for other makes but they have issues for me, one in particular is security but no amount of low pricing would get me on their platform.

      Also emphasis nowadays seems to be on the camera and what software is used for it. I prefer a DSLR but go around tourist hotspots and it is phones everywhere. Great fun scaring people too engrossed or photo bombing. The only photo feature I like on my 6s is the panorama. The rest is OK for a quick snap but not as good as a DSLR.

      On balance, I will get a new one, but at the prices they want, when mine dies. That is even after offering me a buy back at the moment that really is not enough.
      Wait 'till the sales people big it up. It will be the new must have. The networks have spent a lot of loot on the licences and need payback.

      Edit. 5g is using higher frequencies, that has issues.
       
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      Yeah saw Samsung's report. Big drops in profit, with Apples orders having an effect too. Not matter whether a phone is £1000 or £800 for Huawei P30 Pro, people just are not upgrading like they were.

      Also, since now you can upgrade mid contract for next to nothing in the US and I think not much here, the usual two year cycle has dropped off the face of the earth too.

      The only thing being improved is the camera and thats going to plateau soon as for most people, what we'll get this year and maybe next will be PLENTY god enough.

      Even a folding phone (that works) is not going to set the world on fire (itself maybe huh huh)

      Trouble is what Apple is going to do about it. I was very surprised how well the markets reacted to this as the slightest drop had them planning for the end of the world for Apple. Tim has been saying, wait for it, were going to be releasing products like you wouldn't believe, for the last two years.
       
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      I think it will in practice. The thing that most annoys me about my current phone isn't the lack of some headline feature (screen, cameras, face recognition, etc.), but that when I'm at an event with a huge number of people, even getting all the bars of 4G still leads to rubbish performance. So for example I can't listen to the radio commentary (via the internet) at a Premiership football match, plus pictures at other big events can take ages to upload to social media.
       
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      Apple no longer release sales numbers, these numbers have already been seen as misleading by another marketing firm which have apple at twice amount sold.

      If I was Samsung, I would be more worried about xiomi, Hauwi, htc etc then apple.
       
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      That would something worth working on - phones being able to play a local source without needing individual connections and the event could provide the source.
      It would solve a lot of problems.
       
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      It is in LTE (Long Term Evolution) which covers 3G onward:
      LTE Multicast
      I don't remember anything in 4G so it must be new for 5G use at the higher frequencies.
       
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      Deleted. Talking cobblers.
       
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      Higher frequencies don't get through solid materials as easily and some have been chosen that are affected more so which lets contained cells be set up with reasonable ease.
       
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      I need to pay more attention to this. Orfski for a read.

      Edit.
      DOH!. Ignore previous. Fixated on 5g and translated to the wrong term. Work acronyms playing havoc. Really need to read up.
       
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      Don't worry, I got a load of this from a post in The Register by a buy who works on the standards.
       
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      I usually like to understand the tech details.
       
    23. Matt_C

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      Good. Hopefully they'll continue to fall, and it *might* just spur them into realising £1000+ price tags for phones is ludicrous :facepalm:

      I hate my 6 - by far the worst iPhone I've ever had (it's this particular handset rather than the in general though, I think) - but I can't bring myself to get rid of it as even second hand prices of X's are still silly. This was £450 (I think) second hand, from this site, back in 2016. But the 7 or 8 isn't enough of a jump to warrant paying out again the X is just too much. Don't get me wrong, I'm sure they're great phones, but they don't do THAT much more than a 6/6S does to warrant to change (and lose the headphone socket, which is still useful)
       
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      The standards are under (expensive) licenses so you will have to look for articles.
       
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      I've never been an Apple fan, they've pushed prices of phones upwards, and unfortunately other manufacturers have followed, £1000 plus for a phone is ridiculous and it appears the general public agrees as phone sales are dropping, of course that lack of newer features, lost of the headphone jack for example probably plays a role but I bet price plays the biggest part.
       
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      I did look at my trade in (owned outright, never on contract). It was top price offered after they receive the device and confirming condition and it is still close to a couple hundred quid more than I paid for the 6s with a smaller memory capacity (64gb) on the Xs. Checking the other (XR) one I can get similar priced to the 6s. when new.

      But iCloud is a thing for me (I like it), and I wonder do I need the larger memory capacities on the phone. Apple are quite clever in managing memory and cloud depending on settings.

      I wonder where they sit on markup. If I were a competitor to apple I would be looking to take the market share off them and if I could knock out a similar quality phone then I would want to undercut. Or is it a case they are all not far off what they should cost in effectively an arms race and cannot stop?
       
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      Only at the (marketed as) flagship tier
      Have you seen post 12? Undercutting a rival on price but not on features is not a new business model
       
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      Cost of the newer cameras in phones is ridiculous.
      If the fashion for always getting the latest phone continues the businesses that don't have phone services as part of the package are in trouble. I expect Apple to be inconvenienced but not a lot more.
       
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      Yeah but I might have missed the import. There was more to my question and I posed it in an awful way.

      Undercutting, been going on since ever.
       
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      Except you can’t put iOS on a phone that is similar quality and undercuts it. I do think the Nokia Android One (pure Android) phones are really well built. Have a very good price point. But I was really missing the full integration that Apple’s iOS brings to everyday use.
       

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