1. Join Now

    AVForums.com uses cookies. By continuing to use this site, you are agreeing to our use of cookies. Learn More.

Newbie wants to buy a plasma (help!)

Discussion in 'Plasma TVs' started by docfeelgood, Sep 9, 2003.

  1. docfeelgood

    docfeelgood
    Standard Member

    Joined:
    Sep 9, 2003
    Messages:
    237
    Products Owned:
    0
    Products Wanted:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    18
    Ratings:
    +1
    Hello you lovely people (thought i'd start by crawling :D )

    I've got about 3.5- 4k to buy the best plasma I can get for my money (that includes fittings and AV rack).

    Here's the crack:

    It's gonna be wall mounted and we are going to be sitting about 7 and a half feet away.

    I would prefer a 42" screen with tuner and good connections. Also supporting NTSC and PAL progressive.

    I will be using it for:

    1. DVD's (Sony DAVS550) via component.
    2. SKY digital via analogue connection (it's in a bedroom and the digi box is downstairs - so this is the extension from the box).
    3. PS2 and other consoles.


    I would also be very interested in how you compare gaming on a plasma to a CRT as I will be doing a lot of this. Does the screen motion blur on fast games like ISS... etc?

    I also need brackets and a smart AV rack to hold me kit and hide the cables (maybe beach/silver effect).

    I've had a look in some shops but they always look like their hooked up to some rubbish source as the picture is usually noisy.

    any suggestions?

    appreciate it

    :smashin:
     
  2. jmack

    jmack
    Guest

    Products Owned:
    0
    Products Wanted:
    0
    Ratings:
    +0
    what ever you decide on you should really get and extra sky box for rgb output or a free view box or other wise your going to get a crap picture.
     
  3. MAW

    MAW
    Banned

    Joined:
    Jan 24, 2002
    Messages:
    14,082
    Products Owned:
    0
    Products Wanted:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    106
    Location:
    Nr Dorking
    Ratings:
    +412
    ....And mono sound. And be doomed to buy a c*** plasma with an integrated analogue tuner. Your budget will easily run to a pana. series 6, which would fit all other requirements, and run you to £3.5k with wall mount and some sort of gear rack. Hope your bedroom's small with just the davs for noise though.

    The ones you have seen are presumably in dix/curr/comet, or department stores, and are probably all the aforementioned analogue tuner integrated ones. Most are based on the ALIS plasma glass made by Fujitsu and Hitachi. This is an intrinsically interlaced panel, and will not shine particularly with prog. scan, which your davs is capable of.
     
  4. docfeelgood

    docfeelgood
    Standard Member

    Joined:
    Sep 9, 2003
    Messages:
    237
    Products Owned:
    0
    Products Wanted:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    18
    Ratings:
    +1
    Thx for the advice.

    I'll take a look at this Panasonic. I'm assuming that this is a better quaility display to the Hitachi one that everyone seems to like (is it the PD3000 or something).

    What about the gaming though... would the plasma be better than a CRT for a game of ISS or a blast on Burnout ?


    ta for your eyeballs


    :)
     
  5. MAW

    MAW
    Banned

    Joined:
    Jan 24, 2002
    Messages:
    14,082
    Products Owned:
    0
    Products Wanted:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    106
    Location:
    Nr Dorking
    Ratings:
    +412
    For gaming bigger has to be better:D Though I hardly know you, I recommend you see a specialist! You'll be able to see any differences for yourself, and hopefully compare the leading makes with good sources. A small hint as to your location, and I'm sure someone will recommend a shop.
     
  6. docfeelgood

    docfeelgood
    Standard Member

    Joined:
    Sep 9, 2003
    Messages:
    237
    Products Owned:
    0
    Products Wanted:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    18
    Ratings:
    +1
    I live close to newcastle.

    BTW are rear projection TV's any good... their certainly cheap ! :)
     
  7. MAW

    MAW
    Banned

    Joined:
    Jan 24, 2002
    Messages:
    14,082
    Products Owned:
    0
    Products Wanted:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    106
    Location:
    Nr Dorking
    Ratings:
    +412
    small viewing angle and vast bulk are the main drawbacks. Would you travel to Edinburgh? TMF are there, Joe is often to be found here, he will see you right.
     
  8. johndon

    johndon
    Active Member

    Joined:
    Feb 3, 2002
    Messages:
    1,930
    Products Owned:
    0
    Products Wanted:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    48
    Ratings:
    +89
    doc,

    If you can't get to Edinburgh, try Global Hi-Fi on Clayton Street in Newcastle. They have quite a few plasmas in a room at the back. I got my 42PD3000 from them.

    John
     
  9. gandley

    gandley
    Well-known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 31, 2003
    Messages:
    5,024
    Products Owned:
    0
    Products Wanted:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    106
    Location:
    Paradise Lost
    Ratings:
    +269
    take a gander also at the new pixel plus plasmas. pixel plus on crt is shed but on plasma... wow.
    have seen side by sise with pana. and pana is the inferior set. in fact philips set made pana look crap
    the colours are much better and the set seems, is brighter.
    (i tested by setting the brightness in both sets my self)
    but hey pioneer are about to release 433hde and this is rumoured to pan everything thats out there. as it has a HD upsclaler on boared that ups the pic to 768, 720 progressive (one or the other)and has a direct digatal feed so no analogue conversion hence no lipsyn prob (a big fault of panasonic)

    hold on i would as there are some beauties about to be unleashed
     
  10. MAW

    MAW
    Banned

    Joined:
    Jan 24, 2002
    Messages:
    14,082
    Products Owned:
    0
    Products Wanted:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    106
    Location:
    Nr Dorking
    Ratings:
    +412
    And what's more, Philips are so dedicated to plasma that they are showing no new models, and are bringing out a 40", and showing a prototype 52", LCD. Beg to differ, but haven't seen anything encouraging from Philips. Philip's large screen partner is LG.
     
  11. jmack

    jmack
    Guest

    Products Owned:
    0
    Products Wanted:
    0
    Ratings:
    +0
    take a look at av sales they are doing the panny 6 with wall or table mount and some cables and other stuff for under £3000

    not bad me thinks will leave you enough cash in your budget for a nice rack and some change.

    as for the philips v panny i agree with MAW
     
  12. docfeelgood

    docfeelgood
    Standard Member

    Joined:
    Sep 9, 2003
    Messages:
    237
    Products Owned:
    0
    Products Wanted:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    18
    Ratings:
    +1
    I know it's the wrong forum but I can get a big screen Tosh rear projection (42WH36) for under £1200 (with stand). I haven't even considered RPTV's but it suits the screen size I am after and gives me a whole lot of change :)

    I might take a look.... it's much less bulky than a CRT.

    I'm not concerned about viewing angles as it's for me bedroom.

    Is plasma worth the extra? (2k)
     
  13. MAW

    MAW
    Banned

    Joined:
    Jan 24, 2002
    Messages:
    14,082
    Products Owned:
    0
    Products Wanted:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    106
    Location:
    Nr Dorking
    Ratings:
    +412
    LESS bulky than a CRT? The RPTV's I've seen are all huge! maybe not as deep as a conventional, but still 40 cm or so, and tall, 40cm deep from floor to 150 cm high. Good points, large screen for money, bad points, everything else. If that's your only criterion, to get as big as you can, they are the way to go.
     
  14. jmack

    jmack
    Guest

    Products Owned:
    0
    Products Wanted:
    0
    Ratings:
    +0
    it depends on what quality you are after and happy about paying
    there no point over stretching your self just to get a plasma for the sake of it.

    my plasma is in my bedroom ,as for rptv i would never fit one in,
    i watch alot of tv , movies in the day time and i`m not sure a rptv would cope with the sunlight as well.

    if you have the room and do most of your viewing in the dark then maybe a rptv is the way to go and put the other £2 grand in the bank till prices drop .

    hope this helps

    rptv guys dont flame me i`m going on what i have seen in dixion/currys ok.
     
  15. docfeelgood

    docfeelgood
    Standard Member

    Joined:
    Sep 9, 2003
    Messages:
    237
    Products Owned:
    0
    Products Wanted:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    18
    Ratings:
    +1
    No.. size is not the only consideration. Image quality is more important.

    I just want to get the right balance between price and size/quality.

    I do have a spare corner that a RPTV would fit in.

    I'll nip over to curries and see what they are like.

    I'll let you know if I'm back with buying a plasma after I've seen some.

    thx for the help fellas.
     
  16. jmack

    jmack
    Guest

    Products Owned:
    0
    Products Wanted:
    0
    Ratings:
    +0
    if you do decide on a plasma come back and get in touch with one of the guys on here

    either joe fernand from tfm
    or liam from av sales
    you will get better service
     
  17. gandley

    gandley
    Well-known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 31, 2003
    Messages:
    5,024
    Products Owned:
    0
    Products Wanted:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    106
    Location:
    Paradise Lost
    Ratings:
    +269
    maw philips have just released a complete new range so what u goin on about.
    not sure about lg partner either becauce lg is a buget brand of sony and sony dont make plasmas they buy from fujitsu.
    i have seen the latest philips, it was just in this week stood next to the pany [moderator edit]. what video and widescreen entertainment have a review of it on page 73 of there sept issue.

    oh and i meant pioneer 434 in my past post, it will cost £3995
    full spec is at avland but it does indeed include a HD upscaler

    This set is well rumored by retailers to go top off the pile when released in october
    full features can be found at pioneer.co.uk under there news section (under ibf show berlin)


    ------------------------------
    Edited by Moderator codlord - please read the rules on what you can and can't say about people and companies and try to justify any claims you make. It's not useful to the boards to simply "slag off" a particular brand or model. Thanks
    ---------------------------------
     
  18. MAW

    MAW
    Banned

    Joined:
    Jan 24, 2002
    Messages:
    14,082
    Products Owned:
    0
    Products Wanted:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    106
    Location:
    Nr Dorking
    Ratings:
    +412
    Gandley, they may have just released a new range, with their development partner, which is LG, yes truly. They have not shown the next develpments in plasma at recent shows, like others do, but shown LCD's in increasingly large sizes. It could appear therefore that to them plasma is becoming a blind alley. Their LCD technology IMHO leaves something to be desired, but they have immense resources, and if that's the way they are going, eventually they'll do a decent job of it I have no doubt. I do not believe they have thrown themselves into the plasma market with the commitment shown by other maufacturers, eg Pioneer, Panasonic, NEC and Fujitsu/Hitachi. For the majority of us, the results speak for themselves. Between them that group make an overwhelming majority of plasmas, and make the glass for most of the camp folowers who care about quality.
     
  19. gandley

    gandley
    Well-known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 31, 2003
    Messages:
    5,024
    Products Owned:
    0
    Products Wanted:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    106
    Location:
    Paradise Lost
    Ratings:
    +269
    dude not fighting with ya. personaly i wouldnt buy one, i love pioneer. the picture some how is right and the new sets have the style to go with it.
    seems like this is a touchy subject, but hey we already got plasmas and thats what we compare with. the first time buyer is comparing with his poxy 28inch set or worse a 4:3 set, so pretty much any plasma will be heaven.
    i hear what ya sayin though
     
  20. docfeelgood

    docfeelgood
    Standard Member

    Joined:
    Sep 9, 2003
    Messages:
    237
    Products Owned:
    0
    Products Wanted:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    18
    Ratings:
    +1
    Okay...

    I took a look at the RPTV's.... and I know they aren't set up right in Curries etc etc.... and they didn't have the one I was wanting to see (Tosh 42WH36).. but I just don't see how they can ever look as sharp and detailed as a Plasma. I looked at quite a few and just couldn't see it (although I'd be glad to be convinced otherwise cos it would save me a lot of dosh!).

    Anyway... I took a look at some 42" ish plasma's as well. I looked mainly at the Sony KE42TS2, Panny 5, Hitachi PD3000 and Pioneer PDP433HDE.

    I thought the Panasonic looked the clearest, sharpest/detailed. While the Pioneer had the best colour.

    I really wanted to like the Hitachi (as it is the cheapest) but the picture was really grainy/noisy.

    The dealer send the panny 6 was even better and that a new pioneer was coming out that could potentially wipe the floor with the lot of them.

    phew.

    any thought or opinions?
     
  21. gandley

    gandley
    Well-known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 31, 2003
    Messages:
    5,024
    Products Owned:
    0
    Products Wanted:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    106
    Location:
    Paradise Lost
    Ratings:
    +269
    well im biased with pioneer, but the new sets look fantastic as well 434 and 504 are the models to watch. the HD panasonic issaid to be identical in pic to the pany 6 model so no real improvment over pw4 and 5
    lot of new tech on the pioneers but ill have to see one in op first.
    your right about the hitachi i dont know why people rave about them, i think there not up to the front runners at all
    and rptv.... yet to see a good one i could live with
     

Share This Page

Loading...