Question New Yamaha rxv receiver models

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  1. mrsbrownsboys

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    Hi I'm looking to get a new yamaha receiver but not sure which one to get.

    Icurrently have a benq w1080st & soundware speakers ... Will 4k upscaling make any difference and will I only use pure direct for vinyl looking at rxv679 & rxv579 that's the main difference between them?
    I think the 679 had phantom back presence speaker simulator as I have 5.1 speakers

    Any help would be ace!
     
  2. Joe Fernand

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    4K Upscaling - assuming you have an UHD (2160p) Display the Display includes its own scaling engine for all non-2160p Sources so usually it is better to leave the AVR in Bypass mode.

    UHD Blu-ray - if that is on your future shopping list you need to ensure any New AVR and Display are fully compliant, at present very few bits of kit support HDR (High Dynamic Range) which is arguably the most compelling reason to consider a new Display/AVR!

    Many folk are holding off on 'upgrades' until HDR becomes available!

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    Thanks joe! I'm just undecided between them get the 679 and be more future proof? For 5 years down the line etc
    I'll be getting either one cheaper as my business has a yamaha business account and staff discount from yamaha but it's still ££
     
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    And there's the better ypao on the 679! I'm not sure if it makes a massive difference
     
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    If you want 'future proofing' hold out until HDR is supported - I'm assuming you will want an HDR capable Display once they hit the main stream.

    Joe
     
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    Are any of this year's receivers HDR compatible? :)
     
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    All new Yamaha receivers(RXVx79 and Adventage RXAx50 models) are scheduled to receive an HDMI version 2.0a update over the next few months that will give them HDR support.

    All of Denon and Marantz's receivers include HDMI version 2.0a. HDMI version 2.0a is the minimum requirement for HDR support.

    I believe all of this year's new models will have HDR support irrespective of the manufacturer.
     
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    Thanks dante01, so once they are all HDR compatible, does that mean that they will all then be fully 4K compliant?
     
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    HDR isn't strictly speaking a requirement for UHD, it is merely a suplimentary feature. There's not as yet an actual set standard for HDR. HDMI version 2.0 is all you'd really need for UHD video support as long as it included HDCP 2.2 compliance. HDCP 2.2 is the copyright protection being used for UHD encoded video. HDMI version 2.0a was a late revision released to address HDR and offers support for the various ways of deploying it. Not all UHD video content will included HDR, but I think it will be something worth havng and is in all probability more beneficial than the increased resolution associated with UHD content. Look out for HDMI version 2.0a or higher if wanting support for HDR.

    HDMI :: Press Release
     
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    Ok, thank you. Will there also be hdmi cables version 2.0a ?
     
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    Cables have never been catagorised by the HDMI version. Existing cables will continue to work in conjunction with hardware using HDMI version 2.0 interfaces. THe version numbers relate to the interface and not cables. THe correct catagorisation of cables can be found here:

    HDMI :: Manufacturer :: HDMI 1.4 :: Finding the Right Cable

    Basically, just look for cables catagorised High Speed or category 2. Existing High Speed HDMI cables will continue to function with UHD and HDMI version 2.0a. No new cables required.
     
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    That's interesting, I went into currys a couple of days ago to look at some 4k tvs and the salesman told me that I had to have hdmi cables 2.0 to get the full 4k image on the screen. I already have Chord high speed hdmi cables and didn't realise that I needed to change them. So he was trying to rip me off then lol
     
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    A bit harsh on the poor sales guy there I think - maybe he was passing on the information he had been given in a sales training / product awareness course? They are not experts you know - I had a 20 minute teach in with one a while back when he found out I understood HDR and Gamma and he didn't have a clue about either.

    Apparently he'd been trying to find out but as he was classed as the store "expert" there was no one that he could ask as they all knew lots less than he did.
     
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    No, he's breaking the law to sell you something. How is expecting him to keep to the law being harsh?

    If he was told to say that then he can use that in his defence, but Currys are still breaking consumer law if expecting their staff to mis sell goods.

    Currys have been caught doing this in the past and the sales people were fully aware of the fact that what they were telling customers wasn't the truth.
     
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    Especially as the hdmi cable he said I had to have was £80
     
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    I agree with you - ignorance is no excuse BUT you can't expect someone to know everything about everything - I'm into this AV stuff and I'm still learning every day.

    If you want better advice (that you can actually trust) go to a specialist. If you shop at Curry's for your tech then you should expect to be fed bullsh*t and should do your homework in advance.

    That said I'm sure that some "specialists" will try to tell you that £20/m speakers cable will "transform" your new system when compared with the £3/m stuff that you were going to buy.
     
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    Oh, so one of their cheap ones then :D
     
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    HDR will hopefully deliver something 'new' which will receive widespread acceptance so def something to ensure is on the AVR Feature set.

    Big Box Retailers (and specialise cord manufacturers) have been shifting overpriced cables and promoting dubious technical claims for a very long time.

    Joe
     
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    Let's hope that it (HDR) is more convincing than 3D and curved TV sets, neither of which have ever captured my attention.
     
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    The Demo clips I've seen of HDR did look good and quite a few folk on the other side of the pond who know a good image/worthwhile new technology do seem to be getting behind it (much more so than 3D)!

    I've not had the 'official' line from Mr Fraser at Convergent-AV - awaiting his summation.

    Joe

    PS I'm not sure anyone got behind Curved TV's :)
     
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    I disagree, they should know there stuff and its them that should be doing there homework and not the customer
     
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    ODPNick - that would require investment in staff training/interested staff , which in turn would lead to higher prices, which would remove their USP (I.e, less cost than someone who does have a clue :)).

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