New Sony Player in October... 1.1 ??

dbs2

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Sony Introduces 200-disc Blu-ray Media Center

Posted September 5, 2007 by ****

Sony Electronics has introduced the HES-V1000, Blu-ray media center with a 500GB hard drive and 200-disc changer. Digital content stored on the machine, such as music and photos, will be accessable through a XMB cross-bar menu (similar to the one found on the PS3). The HES-V1000 is expected to be available sometime in October for approximately $3,500.

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Sony is making some interesting announcements at CEDIA today, not the least of which is the new HES-V1000, a "home entertainment center" / massive Blue-ray disc-changer meant to keep all your media in one place... Sony style! Imagine if you will a small tower, stacked with a 500GB hard drive and the outrageous room for 200 discs from your personal Blu-ray collection. That's right, if you've purchased almost every single disc available on Blu-ray right now (or as we like to call it, the Sony Movie Library), you can cram them all into this tall, black, polished drink of water. Of course you can store your other music and movies on the internal drive, and play it all back in 1080p wherever it seems appropriate (living room, family room... boudoir). Stream your hot action wirelessly using the oddball DLNA "standard," allowing connections with ten devices, and four independent audio streams. The HES-V1000 also boasts Sony's x-Pict Story HD and x-ScrapBook, two slide show utilities that probably make your family photos seem more compelling than they actually are. Get one in October for the terrifically low price of $3,500

So is this 'Media Centre' classed as just a blu-ray player so should it be 1.1 ??

Id does look so nice........

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Avi

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So is this 'Media Centre' classed as just a blu-ray player so should it be 1.1 ??

Id does look so nice........

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That's a good question. It struck me that AFAIK very few of the manufacturers mention the "profiles" supported in any of their marketing material. I can only assume this is intentional to avoid letting the consumer know there is a divided specificiation. :confused:

Interestingly most are happy to confirm the version of other elements of speficiation i.e. HDMI 1.3 etc and I wonder if there is pressure from the BDA re this area.

AVI
 

mremulator

Active Member
The 1.1 deadline has been put back until November.
 

dbs2

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as you say..... and I reckon they will start stating the profile when most are ready to release 1.1 - 2.0 players, but i certainly think imo it must be the BDA that maybe requests that profile is not mentioned, or is it just the CES .... who knows.... and will we ever....
 

neilneil

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Why just November?
Surely if you can't achieve 1.1 by October then pushing it back to November isn't going to help much?
Unless of course No one has managed 1.1 yet and they all need an extra month to get their Christmas players to market in order to avoid needing to meet 1.1 spec.

Does this mean that a 1.1 player won't be ready until much later because everybody has rushed to release their current crop they have been working on pre 1.1 deadline?

I guess that since everybody has been hopeful that they will get 1.1 released by now then maybe the current new releases will mostly be hardware compliant and it will just be the firmware that needs upgrading during the products lifetime.

-Neil
 

dbs2

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Why just November?
Surely if you can't achieve 1.1 by October then pushing it back to November isn't going to help much?
Unless of course No one has managed 1.1 yet and they all need an extra month to get their Christmas players to market in order to avoid needing to meet 1.1 spec.

Does this mean that a 1.1 player won't be ready until much later because everybody has rushed to release their current crop they have been working on pre 1.1 deadline?

I guess that since everybody has been hopeful that they will get 1.1 released by now then maybe the current new releases will mostly be hardware compliant and it will just be the firmware that needs upgrading during the products lifetime.

-Neil

Lets hope (well ok i'll hope) that that is the case, i just wan't a 1.1 standalone with 7.1 analogue outs...... it's not a lot to ask for..... ;)
 

MrHyde1969

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Very cool, :thumbsup: Would love to have something like this and be able to chose from hundreds of high def movies from a menu.

Now I just need 10 grand to buy one and fill it up, now where did I put that lottery ticket:lease:


Why not just spend about £1500 making a HTPC that can play both formats, do away with 'region coding', back up all your HDDVD and Bluray then just use a nice GUI to pick and choose any movie you wish :thumbsup:
 

dbs2

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Why not just spend about £1500 making a HTPC that can play both formats, do away with 'region coding', back up all your HDDVD and Bluray then just use a nice GUI to pick and choose any movie you wish :thumbsup:

Certainly a lot cheaper.... probably nearly as good as well..... a very good idea.... :smashin: ...... but still not the same if you had the money to blow imo.. (one can dream:boring:)
 

Noggin1980

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Why not just spend about £1500 making a HTPC that can play both formats, do away with 'region coding', back up all your HDDVD and Bluray then just use a nice GUI to pick and choose any movie you wish :thumbsup:

That would be fantastic but I don't think hardrives are really up to that yet.

For it to be equivelent you would need to be able to rip 200 Blu-ray movies to it. Lets say 40GB a peice 200 x 40 = 8000GB = 8TB. Presuming you wanted data security you would need 4 x 2.25TB Nas's (4x750GB = 2.25TB in raid) they are £1700 each here https://www.ripcaster.co.uk/node/80

Then you need the £1500 HTPC on top of that. You are talking over £8000 and that is 5 boxes.

If you are wanting hundreds of disks like this without having to get up and change one the disk changer seems to be the only realistic solution at this point. Give it a couple of years though and it will be differnet as hardrive capacity is improveing rapidly.

$3500 is alot of money though so unless you've won the lottery neither are partically sensible options we should just not be lazy and tell the wife to swap the disk for us ;):D
 

ripclaw

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Getting back to the HES-V1000, Sony haven't mentioned what hi-res sound formats this server can decode, i.e. can it decode (at a minimum) Dolby TrueHD? I'm assuming that it conforms to HDMI 1.3 at the very least. I guess once it's released we'll know.
 

peterweg

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has it........ ARSE !!
No, as before, from 31st October onwards.

That would be 1st November.

BTW, accoring to the insiders thread, there is no such profile as 1.1.

Only 1.0 and 1.0 preliminary. What we refer to 1.0 is a grace period before the 1.0 full spec has to be implemented.

Profile 1 (Grace Period Profile) -informally known as "Profile 1.0"- is the basic profile that all current Blu-ray Disc players (as of August 2007) are based on. Players based on this profile are only required to have 64 KB of application data area storage, which is typically used for bookmarks and other preference storage.[citation needed] Most players have more than the minimum required 64 KB.[citation needed] After October 31, 2007, this profile will be superseded by Profile 1 (Final Standard Profile) as the new minimum profile.

Profile 1 (Final Standard Profile) (mandatory November 2007)-unofficially referred to as "Profile 1.1"- adds a secondary video decoder (typically used for picture in picture), secondary audio (typically used for interactive audio and commentary) and capability of supporting a minimum of 256 MB of local storage (for storing audio/video and title updates). Compliance with this profile will be mandatory for player models introduced to the market after October 31, 2007,[1] but existing products will be unaffected. As of July 24, 2007, only the Denon DVD-3800BDCI and DVD-2500BTCI have been announced as supporting this feature when they become available in the fall of 2007.[2]
 

BadAss

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Posted by TalkStr8t.

I have further information. I'm currently in Berlin (where IFA is underway). I was told here by a CE vendor exec who has announced new model(s) that, even though the players are shipping with 1.0, they do in fact intend to ship 1.1 (and possibly 2.0) support when possible. I've let the exec know that many people are standing on the sidelines for fear that their announced player(s) won't support 1.1 or 2.0, and that if in fact they will they should announce it ASAP.

I'm not willing to give hints on what vendor, as this is up to them to announce (or not), but I'm trying to help push the issue.
 

dbs2

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Someone somewhere needs to announce something, imo they are going to be leaving it far FAR to late, People wanting a BD 1.1 Standalone are all going to jump on the Samsung Dual at this rate and that is not good for Blu-ray (good for HD-DVD possibly, as if you have the player your gonna buy the odd disk)....

COME ON BDA ..... Tell us either way......
 

Drongo

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Someone somewhere needs to announce something, imo they are going to be leaving it far FAR to late, People wanting a BD 1.1 Standalone are all going to jump on the Samsung Dual at this rate and that is not good for Blu-ray (good for HD-DVD possibly, as if you have the player your gonna buy the odd disk)....

COME ON BDA ..... Tell us either way......


Dean, don’t hold your breath.

Do you really expect a rash of 1.1 machines as (Samsung excepted) most of the recent player announcements were for 1.0 machines. If those machines are not upgradeable, then the manufacturers will want to sell those first.

And if they are upgradeable those upgrades will need to be worked out and tested first…

Don’t deny yourself. That Samsung is looking to be a corker.

Transformers, Batman Begins – with real working interactive features. Mmmmmmm..... :devil:
 

dbs2

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Don't deny yourself. That Samsung is looking to be a corker.

Transformers, Batman Begins – with real working interactive features. Mmmmmmm..... :devil:

:rotfl: I am not gonna deny.... i have said on several threads that at the moment it is top of my list for a Standalone Blu-ray Player....I will buy one at this rate.... BDA's Loss is HD-DVD's gain..... possibly another dual formater........ but if Blu-ray come up with the goods first at a better price I May stay Blu..... lets see who gets a 1.1 machine out first and then alot of people imo will decide....... any more Guesses ???
 

Drongo

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Actually, even I’m tired of waiting for the BDA (other than Samsung) to stop twiddling their thumbs, and to bring out a 1.1 (and hopefully a 2.0) machine.

But even if they do, I doubt that it will play Transformers….

Anyhow, let’s hope we don’t all die of old age first. :D
 

Sonic67

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BTW, accoring to the insiders thread, there is no such profile as 1.1.

Only 1.0 and 1.0 preliminary. What we refer to 1.0 is a grace period before the 1.0 full spec has to be implemented.

That sounds worse to me.

It sounds like they are admitting that November 1st is the finished product hence why they are starting at 1 for it. What was before was the preliminary unfinished product.

Or maybe it's just a lot of wishy washy language like Microsoft speak. Microsoft never say a product has bugs. They say it has 'issues' or undocumentated behaviour or a known issue.

So now it's preliminary 1.0, 1.0 then what? Instead of 2.0 will it be post 1.0?

http://www.answers.com/topic/preliminary

preliminary

adjective

1. Before or in preparation for the main matter, action, or business: inductive, introductory, prefatory, preparatory, prolegomenous. See start/end.

2. Serving to introduce a subject or person, for example: introductory, prefatory, preparatory, prolegomenous. See start/end, words.

3. Not perfected, elaborated, or completed: rough, sketchy, tentative, unfinished, unperfected, unpolished. See start/end.

Number 3's definition doesn't sound flattering. I'd have stuck with 1.0, 1.1.
 

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