New Panny Plasma Questions - ( Joe? )

Hi All,

I hope these justify a new thread, I think they do as I couldn't find the answers elsewhere!...Joe Fernand are you out there?

I have owned an NEC 42MP2 for the last 18 months, (& an NEC 4210W before that ) and I've been very happy with both of them.

Two things now make me think it might be the right time for a change:

The superior 3000:1 contrast ratio & resultant "Blacker" blacks that have been generated by all the Panasonic models since their 3rd generaton, and now, the introduction of a Higher Resolution 42" model in their 5th generation screens.

I'll direct these questions to Joe as I know he is well placed to have been able to perform "side by side" comparisons, but I would welcome input from everyone!

OPTIMUM PLASMA RESOLUTIONS

What do you believe will be the optimum resolution for HD DVD?

I'm thinking about "native resolutions" and the requirement or otherwise, of the screen to "up convert" an incoming signal. I assume the current VGA 852 x 480 resolution of my NEC 42MP2 and the TH-42PWD5BX would be insufficent to get the best from a HD DVD signal?

So, do you think that the XGA 1024 x 768 resolution of the TH-42PHD5BX or the XGA 1366 x 768 resolution of the 50" TH-50PHD5BX will be the closest fit?

Are both of these "True" XGA resolutions?

What will be the effect on picture quality for the less accurate fit?

I'm also looking for an answer to this question when it's applied to the use of "PROGRESSIVE" & "INTERLACED" signals from our current DVD players? Is 852 x 480 still the optimum resolution for both of these?

I do not currently own a DVD player that outputs a Progressive signal, but I may invest in one in the future if I give up waiting for HD DVD, so what is the best resolution for these?

Are the Higher resolution XGA models less suitable for our current DVD players? I believe I'm right in saying that that they are effectively "over specified" and would need to "up convert" the resolution of a normal Component signal? What do they do to a Progressive signal? Does their internal scaling take over?

ps: I think I read somewhere that the Progressive output from Sony's DVP-S9000ES was not suitable for my NEC 42MP2? Is this true? Why? Would I have to use the Interlaced Component signal from this player? Does this apply to all Progressive players when linked to the NEC 42MP2?...Anyone know?

SINGLE SCAN v DUEL SCAN

( Thanks go to aRCaM for highlighting this issue! I certainly wasn't aware of it prior to his post. Though I'd like us all to try to keep the emotion out of the discussion this time! )

The old thread on this subject closed prior to Joe coming back with his findings on any possible "visible" impact of this change in the way that the image is produced on the Plasma screen. What's the story Joe?....does it make a visible difference?...are there consequences such as "flicker" as some people have reported? Does this make the 4th generation standard resolution TH-42PWD4BX ( duel scan ) a better purchase than the 5th generation standard resolution TH-42PWD5BX ( single scan )? If yes, is this to the extent that it makes the new higher resolution TH-42PHD5BX ( which I believe is still duel scan ) the better bet from the current 5th generation 42" models? Is this change a result of attempted cost savings at Panasonic or a supposed improvement? Could it even be an attempt to resolve the noise problems that appear to plague so many owners?

BRIGHTNESS

One specific question. The old 50" TH-50PHD30BX model had a 500 cd/m brightness right? So, Why has the new 50" TH-50PHD5BX model now got a quoted 300 cd/m brightness? This seems like a substantial reduction in the new model, Is this "visible" in a side by side comparison? I believe both models are duel scan, and that the resolution of the new model is the same as the old one, so whats the reason for this reduction in brightness? Does this make the newer model inferior? Joe, on your Media Factory site, the older model currently retails at £6,330.50 while the newer model is for sale @ £6,243.28, ie: LESS! Whats the story here?

Also, generally speaking, do the differences in brightness across the 42" range, ie: 4th v 5th generation, & standard 5th gen v HD 5th gen, actualy amount to a "hill of beans" when watching in a darkened room as is always the case when I use my screen?

THE NOISE / BUZZ / HUM ISSUE

What's your stance on this Joe? Have you experienced it? If yes, is it present on the 5th generation models too? Is it across the range on all sizes including the 50" models? Does the Single Scanning of the new TH-42PWD5BX model have any effect on the noise?

So, lots of questions! Any answers?

( ps: Joe, fyi, it would appear that on the Media Factory web site, you've "cut & pasted" some of the older 50" models specs into the newer 50" models details as there is still a reference to the 30BX at the end of the 5BX's information, I think you might want to remove this? )

Best Regards,
KBDVD.

 

It definitely flickers .
Take a look yourself...

 

I don;t see any flicker on mine, As far as I knew plasma screens don;t scan like normal TV's so you shouldn't see any flicker.

Also the 5th Gen does Buzz, it;s not too bad but some people are more sensative to it than others, as far as the dual/single thing, I really don;t think it makes any difference. There have been several improvements made on the 5th Gen, but do a search, it was Joe that highlighted what the differences were.

John.

 

If like me you are awaiting Joe's response to some of these questions, please be advised that he has PM'd me to say that he will post his response on Monday 4th November.

Thanks Joe!

Best Regards,
KBDVD.

 

Thats one long post you've got there KBDVD so I think i'll leave Joe to post a full reply (especially considering there is the risk of setting off another does it or doesn't it flicker and/or buzz thread that could go on forever )

But, I am quite interested in peoples comments on the resolution bit. Mainly because while it seems good practice to try and support HD resolution as best you can, i'm still of the opinion that the 42 PWD5 looks better with video than the 42 PHD5, even though the difference in resolution is huge. While I can appreciate that the smaller pixels of the 42 PHD5 are quite a factor in this (smaller hence less light passes through) could it be a case of its not what you've got it's what you do with it ?!? What do you lot reckon?

 

Agreed, it certainly flickers. I cant say whether this more so than the 4th gen but the 5th definitely flickers. Having said that though, no more than a standard CRT TV IMHO.

5th gen also buzzes but is again acceptable IMHO.

 

KBDVD..

Just a quick comment, for 1080i stuff you really want 1000+ vertical lines, this is the magic number where HD becomes truely stunning!

Cheers... chris.

 

There's some good info on the resolution stuff here:

http://www.plasmatvbuyingguide.com/plasmatvreviews/panasonic-th42pwd5uy-review.html

Had my 5 series since Monday and haven't personally noticed 'any' flicker. I wonder if this would alter with the input?

My Panasonic 36" PG50 100Hz (CRT) which was a year old when I sold it recently, seemed to give a very similar picture quality, but I would say that the plasma looks sharper and more focused.
I would also say the 5 buzzes about twice as loundly as a normal widescreen CRT TV, i.e. It is barely audible in a silent room.

One thing that has become very apparent, is the black quality. Black is jet black now and there's no blooming on the brightest setting (Dynamic). My brother who just bought a rear projection Tosh, comments on the black quality whenever he sees my screen.

 

I've had a closer look at mine now and flicker is most noticeable when looking at light/bright areas, a big area of white for example flickers noticeably even from straight on but darker areas only flicker if you view using your peripheral vision.

This is perhaps because the human eye is more susceptible to flicker when viewing bright things, in the same way that your peripheral vision is more sensitive. Then again it could just be a "feature" of plasma.

I don't want to sound negative here because I'm more than happy with mine.

I should also say that this is when viewing terrestrial TV via the TUPTA600 tuner. I'll check out other sources and inputs at some point.

 

HI Joe,

Thank you for a very informative post.

You have also help me make my decision as to what Im going to buy.

Probably order it today., and get killed by her indoors. Not becasue I cant buy it, but we are not necessary ready to have it yet! Requires a fundamental change to the living room, to make it work, properly.

Adrian

 

Joe, with regards to this comment

that being the case it is possible to switch a 5 Series Panasonic into a Dual Scan mode with reduced light output and I guess no flicker

Do you have any info as to 'how'?

I am a bit confused about this.. People are saying that the 'single scan' mode was implimented due to cost saving.. But if its possible to switch it to 'dual scan' mode, then this means that the Series 5 is still capable of dual scan. How can this have reduced cost?

Whilst I don't really worry too much about the flickering.. If switching it to 'dual scan' could improve things, I am sure many would like to try (including me).

Any info on this would be appreciated

Jon

 

Joe,

Thanks very much for your detailed response.

I've two outstanding querys.

1. Did you look at the link to the Panasonic site?

I took the picture to illustrate the screen without it's speakers!

Is this not the case? If this illustration is in fact the screen with it's optional speakers attached, does that mean that there is effectively no visible frame at all to the sides of the screen when the speakers arn't used?

Having just had another look, I'm sure they look like a wide frame & not the optional speakers.

2. Can you confirm that the TH-50PHD5BX is the same as the old 30BX in appearance? & why's it cheaper?

Best Regards,
KBDVD.

ps: Youv'e probably detected that I'm potentialy interested in a 50" Panasonic Plasma purchase in the near future!

 

Joe,

I too am grateful for this informative post.

I have been researching my forthcoming plasma purchase for the last couple of weeks and I was looking at the TH-42PW5B, but I have been seriously struggling trying to work out how I'd connect all my stuff to it with compromising quality. I have looked at JS boxes, but still there's not enough inputs :-( I did (for a while) consider the tuner box (for the scarts), but I beleive that:

1) Although still present on the display, the VGA socket is disabled when you fit the terminal board for the tuner?

2) Progressive scan via the component terminals (on the tuner) will not work?

Could you please confirm the above.

This got me last night looking at the Pioneer 433MXE and PDA-5002.

Can you confirm that with the PDA-5002 installed, that ALL inputs still function?

Are you suggesting that the Pioneer handles composite and s-video sources better than the Panasonic?

Thanks in advance for your time.

Rob.

 

Originally posted by Joe Fernand

...but I can confirm that with the Tuner terminal board fitted to the display the VGA port on the display is disabled and you need to connect your PC to the VGA socket on the tuner.

Now I am confused - I didn't think there was a VGA socket on the tuner

No info to hand on the Progressive Scan (or lack of it) on the YPbPr inputs on the tuner - will try and find out tomorrow.

Thanks.

01. VGA port - RGBHV or YPbPr.
02. BNC x1 - Composite video in.
03. 4 Pin mini Din - S-Video in.
04. BNC x5 - RGBHV or YPbPr.
05. DVI - Digital RGB

Plus an RS232 port and all ports are active and selectable from the remote.

That sounds much more like what I need. What can I do with the RS232 port?

'just to try it out you know as we dont really play games!!!'

Me neither

Thanks for the reply. Where in the UK are you based? I am in Norfolk and trying to find a dealer around here with a wide selection of displays who know what they are talking about is a little tricky...

Rob.

 

There is definitely no PC monitor input (VGA ?) on the PT-600.

Don't know if anyone at Panasonic really uses their own products at home...

They really make it difficult to become a customer of their products.

 

Joe,

I guess I just sort of assumed that you'd know the answer to the frame style question, but seeing as how you don't have access to the consumer versions of the Panasonic screens I suppose you are forced to draw your conclusions from looking at pictures like the rest of us. At least that is, until someone can tell us the answer one way or the other from first hand experience. Anyone?

http://www.panasonic.co.uk/product/plasmadisplaytv/

Having had yet another look I really can't make up my mind what to think? For the sake of discussion I'll stay with the theory that the illustration is an accurate representation of the screen having wider side frames until someone can inform us otherwise. If my memory serves me right, I believe that the very first generation of Panasonic Plasma screens had wide side frames very similar to this. If this is the case, in my opinion, the new style is "butt ugly" and a definate turn off as far as I'm concerned! What do the rest of you think?

Best Regards,
KBDVD.

 

maybe the speakers overlap the edge of the frame, as a method securing the speakers to the display. Giving the appearance of having no side frame if you removed the speakers, but the side frame is just underneath the speaker? maybe...

Mike