If anybody could help me out here then it would be really appreciated, and before I start I should say I know sod all about camcorders. Don't know if I should get one of the new Panasonic NVGS17 or go for the NVGS21. I was going to get the NVGS11 from Costco for around £250 but now I've looked into things I realize the new models will be out very soon. I've seen the NVGS17 advertised on the net for £270 with 2 years guarantee (nomatica.com....anyone heard of them?). Anyway...I'm not bothered about the 17 not having a memory card function. The only other difference I can see is the LED lights that are on the 21 but not on the 17. Are they needed at all and do they make a difference? And.....what's this night vision mode? I read somewhere that it has infrared. Is that correct? Whenever I look at the specs it never mentions infrared but does say something about "colour night mode" which I don't have a clue about. Infrared was something I was looking for in a camcorder so if the 17 has it then it's a real bonus. If anybody knows the answers or can help in anyway then I will be forever in your debt. Ta.