New Lyngdorf TDAI-1120 Streaming amp

pevz

Active Member
Cool! Was a bit confused by the 'HDMI OUT' socket... but the specs state it is indeed an ARC input.
 
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Fergal82

Distinguished Member
I’m surprised it’s only £2k. I assumed it was going to come in at about £3k. I’m basing this on nothing other than my gut feeling.

For me it puts it toe to toe with the Nad M10 but I fancy trying room perfect so It goes straight to the top of my shortlist.
 

larkone

Distinguished Member
At £3K it would be competing with the 2170
 

Hixs

Distinguished Member
That's pretty sweet, but looking at close to €3k here with exchange rate and additional tax because it's not French made, which is only 500 short of a base model 2170.
 

larkone

Distinguished Member
But the 2170 does not have the streaming options built in so not surprised there isn't a bigger gap. Can't comment on French import duties but surprised that they sting you for imports from other EEA countries - thought that was against EU rules.
 

Paul7777x

Member
That's pretty sweet, but looking at close to €3k here with exchange rate and additional tax because it's not French made, which is only 500 short of a base model 2170.

Have you had enough of Dirac then?
 

Matt Horne

Well-known Member
I don’t think this new amp is all digital ? It looks fantastic though... do I need the 2170 that’s the question... would prefer all the streaming features tbh.
 

DT79

Well-known Member
I don’t think this new amp is all digital ? It looks fantastic though... do I need the 2170 that’s the question... would prefer all the streaming features tbh.
It is all digital. Converts PCM to PWM then directly varies the voltage of the PWM signal to control the volume and this drives the speakers. Same as 2170, 3400 and SDA2400.

It may be a while before someone can give us a direct comparison of 1120 vs 2170, but if you think you might need the additional power and input flexibility then a 2170 plus compact streaming front end of your choice (which could always be hidden away) would do nicely.
 

Matt Horne

Well-known Member
Hmmm so maybe its time to sell up mine and look to get this as I am not seeing a downside for what I use it for currently...

Or as you say just get some other streaming part - there is the meridian 210 or the b&w formation audio both which support roon/spotify etc....

thanks

matt
 

Hixs

Distinguished Member
Have you had enough of Dirac then?

I haven't given up hope just yet, it's just I lack the quiet time required to run/rerun setups, so until I get another free day Dirac is on the back burner.

Even just using the minidsp as a dac isn't the best. Spotify doesn't like it at all, with constant popping every 10s or so (I've uninstalled & reinstalled a few times), and with CDs there is a harshness to the treble that just isn't present using the dual mono Wolfsons of the CD82.

It's made a difference, sure. Vocals are a touch more forward, the sound stage that little wider and the bass goes that little bit deeper/better controlled, but none of these were a real issue before hand really. The question is whether there is a €600 gain adding Dirac, and the answer to that is no at the minute.
 

Paul7777x

Member
Hmmm...

I’m a little puzzled about the Spotify bit...

But there’s a possibility that changing the internal jumpers from the 2v position to the 4v position will give you more headroom for the CD player.

I did that just to get better volume control from my Lexicon that I was using as a source gatherer and preamp.

Also, I ran the DDRC at -10 so as not to overwhelm my poweramp/active speakers.
 

Cyprio

Well-known Member
So this device has Chromecast built-in and as far as I am aware - feel free to correct me if I'm wrong - Chromecast doesn't support Amazon music HD Ultra, only standard quality audio. This would push me towards the NAD M10 if that is the case.
 

stjernholm

Active Member
It is all digital. Converts PCM to PWM then directly varies the voltage of the PWM signal to control the volume and this drives the speakers. Same as 2170, 3400 and SDA2400.

It may be a while before someone can give us a direct comparison of 1120 vs 2170, but if you think you might need the additional power and input flexibility then a 2170 plus compact streaming front end of your choice (which could always be hidden away) would do nicely.
Sorry, this is actually one of the things that are different with the 1120, and one of the reasons that it is only the price it is. It is one of the compromises made, in order to deliver all the beloved Lyngdorf features at that price point. It has advantages too, since the time it takes to get that voltage up and running without blowing your fuses is now gone, and this 1120 baby will start playing in less than 3 seconds. (i had the pleasure of reviewing a prototype unit for months, comparing it to a 2170, and I think lyngdorf will have to force the 1120 out of my cold, dead hands before i let i go.... :p)
 

DT79

Well-known Member
Sorry, this is actually one of the things that are different with the 1120, and one of the reasons that it is only the price it is. It is one of the compromises made, in order to deliver all the beloved Lyngdorf features at that price point. It has advantages too, since the time it takes to get that voltage up and running without blowing your fuses is now gone, and this 1120 baby will start playing in less than 3 seconds. (i had the pleasure of reviewing a prototype unit for months, comparing it to a 2170, and I think lyngdorf will have to force the 1120 out of my cold, dead hands before i let i go.... :p)
I didn’t realise that. So what type of power amp does it use? What were your thoughts on comparison to the 2170 out of interest?
 

stjernholm

Active Member
I didn’t realise that. So what type of power amp does it use? What were your thoughts on comparison to the 2170 out of interest?
It uses class D amplification. The 2170 might sound a slight bit better, and deliver more muscle. It really comes down to what system you are planning to drive with the amp. I tested with a lyngdorf MH2/BW2 system, where the MH2`s playing from 200 hz up, does not require the power of a monster amp. With this setup, there was a huge headroom and redicolus SPL possible that I could not drive to clipping.. Also, the 1120 is very modern, and has the same web GUI as the big boys (3400, MP50/60). Not all the same functionality, but all the important stuff. 8 filter voicings, flexible setup, subsonic filter, RIAA amp, ROON support and so on. It makes the 1120 quite a king of all trades, for the one seeking a "do it all" system that can be customized for perfectly tuned daily use. Great for apartments, smaller full range speakers or sat/ active sub combinations and with all the lyngdorf goodies like room perfect. At the price, you really cant fault the 1120 at all.
 

Paul7777x

Member
So the 1120 doesn’t actually use one of lyngdorfs most touted specialities?
 

Cyprio

Well-known Member
Guy's, which one would you choose, TDAI 2170 or a more modern 1170? My speakers are large floor standers - Focal Electra 1028be @ 92db sensitivity. Want to pair it with a Bluesound node2i.
 

Hillskill

Moderator/Games Reviewer
Surely an 1170 negates the need for a node?!
 

Paul7777x

Member
I’d suggest the 2170 as it’s easy to add a Lyngdorf power amp, should you need or wish, digitally, later on thereby keeping everything digital and silent until the final conversion.

And if you’re not using subs that might be necessary, especially with the 1170.
 

Helix Hifi

Well-known Member
It looks beautiful! The volume control on a a Lyngdorf amp is amazing. Room correction. What’s not to like. Digital. No noise.
 

stjernholm

Active Member
Guy's, which one would you choose, TDAI 2170 or a more modern 1170? My speakers are large floor standers - Focal Electra 1028be @ 92db sensitivity. Want to pair it with a Bluesound node2i.

The 2170. Keep it simple and more sufficient power for the electra`s.
 

stjernholm

Active Member
I’d suggest the 2170 as it’s easy to add a Lyngdorf power amp, should you need or wish, digitally, later on thereby keeping everything digital and silent until the final conversion.

And if you’re not using subs that might be necessary, especially with the 1170.
You can also add a power amp to the 1120 (but only analog, and only if you are not using the output for subs...) One thing speaks to the 1120, and that is voicings you can edit. This is not possible on the 2170, where you are given presets only. The 1120 also have the webinterface like the 3400 and MP`s .
 

Cyprio

Well-known Member
Surely an 1170 negates the need for a node?!
Chromecast doesn’t support Amazon uhd music, hence the need for BluOS streaming.
 

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