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Discussion in 'TAG McLaren Audio Owners' Forum' started by caleb, Dec 7, 2004.

  1. caleb

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    I went to buy the AV192,(from a shop who shall be namelesss) but due to a comunications problem the one that was n sale had a silver front and I wanted a black front.

    I was staggered to learn that TAG want 650 quid to do this - just to change the front from silver to black!!

    Anyone know of a BLACK AV192 going for a reasonable price?? - the one I was going to buy was 5300 quid and it was "full house"
    CALEB :mad:
     
  2. Dr Udo Zucker

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    Hi Caleb, changing the front panel includes also changing all buttons, the volume knob and the case - this in addition to the large front extrusion.
     
  3. caleb

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    RIGHT! so this make 650 quid acceptable then does it??
    Caleb
     
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    Hi caleb,

    Over the years I have seen issues like this many times and I used to think the same way as you.
    A couple of years ago I had the marvellous opportunity to visit Tag McLaren's factory where - not only the audio equipment is designed/produced, but the same factory that carries out the R&D and manufacture of electronic components for the Formula racing cars.
    It is not until then that you have a chance to appreciate the extremely high levels of engineering and precision that is involved in making, what most would consider, simply, a "box" for a processor.
    Now I know for a Tag amplifier the face plate change involves virtually the whole unit being dis-assembled and re-built and I imagine the AV192 being the same.
    Therefore, with the time and expertise to carry out such a task I can see how easily the cost can build to £650.00.....it probably "costs" more than this but £650.00 becomes the commercial/marketable price?
    Once the work has been completed the equipment is then put on "soak-test", I think it is called, for many hours to ensure everything is exactly as it should be before it is returned to you. It even gets polished before being packed into it's box!
    The AV192 is probably one of the finest peices of audio/visual kit available on the market both in terms of audio/visual quality and also - build quality, and I can asure you they are not held together by a few self-tapping screws on a base of hardboard!
    I hope this helps...

    Nigel
     
  5. caleb

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    Thanks Nigel,

    This does place a somewhat different emphasis on things, and I agree at the wages that you have to pay in the U.K I can see where the 650 quid can be easily run up.

    Same as when I asked to have my RCA to RCA reterminated to one XLR - 75 quid for a soldering job!

    It must have been atreat to go around the facility in Huntigdon.

    May be in the next 6 months you can to round the factory in Guangdung province in China where the new TAG (Audiolab) stuff will probably be built - I bet it won't be the same.

    Unfortunately it's all about extra profit these days.
    Caleb
     
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    The factory in Huntingdon was mainly for product assembly/repairs - the factory I was referring to was in Surrey at HQ.
    It was like visiting a science laboratory!
    Having said that, on the occasions I was at Huntingdon - it too, was way beyond your average factory

    Tag McLaren have moved now to their purpose built complex, (Is it called The Summit?) on the edge of the man-made lake....something like it is out of a James Bond movie!

    I have been trying to find out where future Tag/IAG may get manufactured.
    I hope it doesn't end up in the eastern regions as the image/quality of Tag was/is so high in the market place it would be a great shame for IAG to loose that.

    Nigel
     
  7. caleb

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    Thanks Nigel,

    Just as an aside, what made you go for M&K 350's and why two? - where do you place them?

    I have the Paradigm servo15 which sounds good, but my TAG retailer here has the M&K franchise and I must admit that when he demos the Tag gear the bass is always mid blowing.

    Caleb
     
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    The McLaren headquarter is called "McLaren Technology Centre", formerly referred to as "Paragon". The "Summit" was TAG McLaren Audio's manyfacturing facility but was recently sold to Meridian (when IAG took over TAG McLaren Audio).

    P.S.: I think you explained very precisely why a specialist task isn't cheap.
     
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    Having tried various subs around the £500.00 - £1000.00 I found the M&K VX100 to be the cleanest, most accurate of the ones tested.
    That intorduced me to Miller & Kreisel.

    After reading about M&K in more detail I had the opportunity to audition a 350mkII.
    That was awesome - real spine-tingling stuff without the boom and puff of smaller subs.....so I bought one!

    A while later I had a dedicated soundproofed room built as an extension to the house, had it designed and treated by an acoustician who did a fantastic job and my "ever so nice dealers!" persuaded me that another M&K350 would finish it off!...so I bought another one!!!

    In effect - having two subs doubles the headroom, increases it's output fourfold and gives an awesome amount of shuddering bass without any effort.

    My problem is keeping the halogen bulbs in their light fittings in the ceiling - I am not joking!

    They can acheive 20hz, but not being able to physically hear that low, or at least not accurately, you feel the bass. The air in the room moves and so does the curtains!

    For me, it's not the loudness - it's the quality and pureness and even though I do pump up the volume the sound is so controlled, accurate and life-like...and it is as if the subs are still on idle.

    When a gun fires or bomb explodes the force hits you in the chest...and makes you spill ya beer!....

    They are placed side-by-side in the strongest corner, (the front left looking towards the screen), and carefully phased with each other work so well I get a cold sweat thinking about it...
    They often sound better on top of each other but I sacrificed the small improvent for asthetics.

    To set a sub/s correctly it is worth spending time "sounding" the room to get the best position before finely tuning the levels/cutoff's etc.
    The position must create a total non-directional output.

    My room is on the web site.
    Check My Profile" for the address....

    Nigel
     
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    Mine are actually stacked in the strongest corner I have. I rejected the idea immediately when my wife suggested it but then I found a web site on M&K speaker set up and...

    Moving them to the corner gave me an 15 dB+ increase in sub volume. Windows rattled and that was when I realised it really was time to get the TMREQ redone.
     
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    And lunch was very nice, hope the tyre tracks all over your lawn get better soon :devil:
    I must admit that stacking two big subs like Edward's did raise a few eyebrows and I would be very tempted to move them somewhere more conventional but hey the "boss" has spoken so we "underlings" do as we are told and hope TMREQ sorts it (which I think it largely did), it was great watching the subs try to undo the rear speaker brackets though before the TMREQ did its stuff..... :D
     
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    I've fallen in love with the new B&W Aluminium "dome"...
     
  13. GrahamMG

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    Hi Mark.
    Apparently it is better than it ought to be sound wise as well. Styling is a "Marmite" job though......
     
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    Not planning on having any "little ankle biters" then?
     
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    I already have one (who is 2 1/2) and believes that if he as much as breathes on the hifi the big speaker monster will get him. Have you felt the weight of these B&W subs? They are very heavy - like a boulder in fact. Unless he gets out a Swiss Army Knife, I think I'm safe.

    Seriously though - this is the first sub I have seen which doesn't deserve to be tucked away in a corner or behind a sofa!
     
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    He has fingers though....... That is the main reason everyone puts the sub behind the sofa etc...... :D
     
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    You really need to have a look at this sub though. There's not many places that little fingers can go. Even the woofer cones seem to be made of aluminium!
     

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