1: I'm just watching in a living room environment on a matt white 177cm wide screen. With a short throw....it is bright. I am running 55% power and it's 200NITS peak white.lol I might look see if i can get a filter of some sort to knock it down.
2: At this brightness i still think the Epson tone mapping is not great. Of course i am spoilt with the Lumagen i use but there is a massive difference in image quality using the Radiance...
3: The CMS is useless imho.
4: Greyscale and gamma dial in well with on board tools but i've tweaked with the Radiance i use.
5: Motion....well, now having spent time with this thing i agree that 24fps handling is not as good as my old HD350. If you turn on the motion processing of the LS11000 its much more watcheable (low)...until some 50Hz content comes along at which point it's hideous and is much better turned off.
I don't have time to grab any pics of measurements i'm afraid as i'm a bit busy but i thought i ought to chuck something out there to add to this thread....
1: I'm just watching in a living room environment on a matt white 177cm wide screen. With a short throw....it is bright. I am running 55% power and it's 200NITS peak white.lol I might look see if i can get a filter of some sort to knock it down.
This is a tiny screen size, isn’t that just about 80”? Have you any idea as to what a 9400 would be putting out in Nits on that screen so as we have a rough gauge.
2: At this brightness i still think the Epson tone mapping is not great. Of course i am spoilt with the Lumagen i use but there is a massive difference in image quality using the Radiance...
5: Motion....well, now having spent time with this thing i agree that 24fps handling is not as good as my old HD350. If you turn on the motion processing of the LS11000 its much more watcheable (low)...until some 50Hz content comes along at which point it's hideous and is much better turned off.
I don't have time to grab any pics of measurements i'm afraid as i'm a bit busy but i thought i ought to chuck something out there to add to this thread....
good to see the above... cant open the 2nd link due to google translate not liking the cookies and sending in a loop...
interesting mention of measurements in the first link...
no surprise to see blue going way off with the laser epson...
after calibration it hits it appears the laser is behind the lamp ?
strange choice comparing with the sony 290Es ... why not the jvc n5 that would have been an interesting comparison in calibrated lumens...
otherwise looks like the sony bests this for contrast and "sharpness" which i think the reviewer confuses for detail ? certainly we get the same fire engine screen shot ... talking off smoother picture from the new eshift.
From what I read so far I belive that the guys from heimkino have a prefference for Sony.
For those who want a living room laser projector, there is hardly any reason to buy a DLP anymore. If the prices settle down a bit, projectors like LG 810 or JVC NZ3, will probably remain on the dealer's shelf as they can't compete even with LS 11000 in contrast and black levels let alone LS 12000.
From what I read so far I belive that the guys from heimkino have a prefference for Sony.
For those who want a living room laser projector, there is hardly any reason to buy a DLP anymore. If the prices settle down a bit, projectors like LG 810 or JVC NZ3, will probably remain on the dealer's shelf as they can't compete even with LS 11000 in contrast and black levels let alone LS 12000.
Looking at the results of the 11,000 it looks like a living room, not cinema room PJ. The contrast is very low, given the old LS calibrated is near 25k, (some showed lower results) I don't think the 12,000 will in any way compare to the old 10,000 or 10,500 PJ's
Maybe. Depending on the settings used on both PJs and what you want to compromise from a calibration. I mean if you compare the filter mode of the 9400 it will be far less bright but more accurate and if you use natural then the Epson will be brighter, but probably less accurate.
Dynamic to Dynamic would be interesting, but you have a green or blue cast with those.
strange choice comparing with the sony 290Es ... why not the jvc n5 that would have been an interesting comparison in calibrated lumens...
otherwise looks like the sony bests this for contrast and "sharpness" which i think the reviewer confuses for detail ? certainly we get the same fire engine screen shot ... talking off smoother picture from the new eshift.
There's lots of comparison to the 9400 there, which is probably it's biggest competition. Maybe they had a Sony and that is more comparable and they didn't have a JVC....and even if they did, showing the JVC best it, is probably not that useful - Also bare in mind this is the LS11000 and the LS12000 is far closer to a home cinema projector.....they keep talking about sports and a light living room set-up - Which may well be what normal people want.
I still don't feel that these LS range projectors are aimed at the Home Cinema geek, but the wider mass market living room and gaming sector!
long time lurker, will wait to see the outcome of the LS12000 reviews but i am starting to think this is not the projector for me. Think i will purchase the 9400 for now and upgrade in the next year or two to something else
long time lurker, will wait to see the outcome of the LS12000 reviews but i am starting to think this is not the projector for me. Think i will purchase the 9400 for now and upgrade in the next year or two to something else
it’s not a terrible place to be in if i’m honest, i am coming from a w1070 so most projectors are a upgrade and the extra saving will reinvest it in dropping my ceiling and maybe looking to do a atmos setup. Might even get a OLED 65 inch as well so i can cover the gaming aspect i was looking for in my next projector.
Epson EH-TW9400W projector (White). Purchased on 25-July-2019 from ProjectorPoint.co.uk. Comes with 5 years warranty (Epson CoverPlus 05 Years RTB service) About 200-300 hours of usage. Got original box and the key accessories required to operate the projector. Also comes with a pair of 3D...
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TW9400W - so white, wifi (meh, use cable for 4k, HDR, 60Hz), low hours and warranty!
Looks like a bit of a steal to my mind at £1600
Essex
Epson EH-TW9400W projector (White). Purchased on 25-July-2019 from ProjectorPoint.co.uk. Comes with 5 years warranty (Epson CoverPlus 05 Years RTB service) About 200-300 hours of usage. Got original box and the key accessories required to operate the projector. Also comes with a pair of 3D...
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TW9400W - so white, wifi (meh, use cable for 4k, HDR, 60Hz), low hours and warranty!
Looks like a bit of a steal to my mind at £1600
Essex
Reluctantly I am selling my LS10500 due to stupidly getting a screen bigger than originally envisaged (145” 16:9/3.2m wide) because I was too busy worrying about getting the speaker angles at Dolby spec at 22 degrees minimum which a 129” screen wouldn’t have hit with all 3 speakers behind the...
long time lurker, will wait to see the outcome of the LS12000 reviews but i am starting to think this is not the projector for me. Think i will purchase the 9400 for now and upgrade in the next year or two to something else
I think those considering the 9400 or one of these new ones really needs to wait for some reviews to surface about the LS12000, the 11000 is clearly not geared for a dedicated room and even in a normal living room with an ALR screen it's blacks will be no where near the 9400. One hopeful thing mentioned in the last review was the laser dinning seems to be very good so here's hoping with the extra native contrast of the 12000 it should prove to be very effective.
Reluctantly I am selling my LS10500 due to stupidly getting a screen bigger than originally envisaged (145” 16:9/3.2m wide) because I was too busy worrying about getting the speaker angles at Dolby spec at 22 degrees minimum which a 129” screen wouldn’t have hit with all 3 speakers behind the...
Why on earth did Epson not bring us an updated version of the LS10500 , if there is one bit of feed back they take from the launch of these two models was this comment.
Reluctantly I am selling my LS10500 due to stupidly getting a screen bigger than originally envisaged (145” 16:9/3.2m wide) because I was too busy worrying about getting the speaker angles at Dolby spec at 22 degrees minimum which a 129” screen wouldn’t have hit with all 3 speakers behind the...
I've pondered that one a couple of times. But it is almost twice the price, older, no warranty and less bright, so there's a trade off for the contrast and laser.
Also the people above said they were considering the 9400, hence the post at all!
Due to a house move that’s suddenly happening fast I have these to sell as I probably won’t have space at the new place for a good while. The X7900 was purchased new in Sep 2019 and consequently has a warranty remaining until Sep 2022. It has 327 hours on the original bulb and is in mint...
I've pondered that one a couple of times. But it is almost twice the price, older, no warranty and less bright, so there's a trade off for the contrast and laser.
If your screen is too big for it, then yeah, the lack of brightness is a big issue, but if it's not then that doesn't matter. Good point on the warranty, I didn't realise the 9400 had so much. I wouldn't worry about the age, they don't seem to go wrong much. If the 9400 is in budget and all you need, I think it's a great choice, but I wouldn't want one as a stepping stone - if you know you'll later upgrade, it's not really worth the hassle (only my opinion of course).
Why on earth did Epson not bring us an updated version of the LS10500 , if there is one bit of feed back they take from the launch of these two models was this comment.