New Epson 4k Lasers

[alebonau]

is this it ?

爱普生4K激光投影机曝光，家庭影院投影机新品将近期上市 - 阿强家庭影院网

近日在北京的爱普生视频新品活动中展示了一款即将上市的爱普生家庭影院投影机，这应该是爱普生近三年多的一次全新升级，此次发布的爱普生家庭影院投影机拥有两款重量级属性真4K芯片和激光光源。具体型号性能未知

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Epson 4K laser projector exposed, new home theater projectors will be launched soon​

2021-09-10 • Source: Aqiang Home Theater Network Editor: Popularity :

Recently, at the Epson Video New Product Event in Beijing, an upcoming Epson home theater projector was displayed. This should be a brand new upgrade for Epson in the past three years. The released Epson home theater projector has two heavyweight attributes. True 4K chip and laser light source. The performance of the specific model is unknown. At least two models of the new product will be launched, one of which will have a brightness of 2700 lumens.

The new Epson 4K laser projector adopts a new menu design. For more content, please continue to pay attention to Aqiang Home Theater Network !

 

[markymiles]

Ooooooooooh, the plot thickens. Anyone able to translate those menus into english, my cantonese is a bit rusty!?!

The million dollar question though is how much?

Wonder what the two models will be if it's true.............

 

[alebonau]

some more ...

爱普生LS12000和LS11000或将发布 全新真4K激光投影机亮相 - 阿强家庭影院网

爱普生家庭影院投影机全新产品CH-LS12000B和CH-LS11000两款产品或将近期与消费者见面，爱普生新机标配真4K芯片，拥有主流的激光光源，可提供2万小时的光源寿命，同时光源亮度将保持上代产品TW8400一个级别，相信

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Epson LS12000 and LS11000 may release new true 4K laser projectors​

2021-09-10 • Source: Aqiang Home Theater Network Editor: Popularity : 289

Epson’s new home theater projector products, CH-LS12000B and CH-LS11000, may meet with consumers in the near future. Epson’s new machine is equipped with a true 4K chip as standard, has a mainstream laser light source, and can provide 20,000 hours of light source life. The brightness of the light source will remain at the same level as the previous generation product TW8400. It is believed that the introduction of true 4K display chips and the blessing of mainstream laser light sources will bring new vitality to the current mid-range home projector market, and users will also have more expectations.

The new projector uses a new UI design menu, carrying more and more intuitive content.

The new menu presentation method is flat, the left side is the main function classification, and the right side is the tree-type directory. You can directly see the detailed information of multiple main functions. For more home theater products, please follow the Aqiang home theater platform, Epson Please click here to enter the product area:

 

[Luminated67]

The plot does thicken indeed. If price is right then JVC and Sony will need to rethink their current pricing.

 

[alebonau]

many unanswered questions ...

DTM ? no new projector in 2021 should come without this...
HDMI 2,1 ? what sort of implementation .. partial ? or full and band width ? will they do a 9300 ?
Contrast ... more or less than current .... ? hopefully native 4k doesnt cause a hit to contrast ..
P3 filter ... better or worse than current in hit to luminance
Price am sure folks wondering ...
Calibrated lumens... how much of that 2700 lumens is pegged back in calibration

all in good time am sure

 

[jfinnie]

The plot does thicken indeed. If price is right then JVC and Sony will need to rethink their current pricing.

Maybe, maybe not. I'm not sure JVC have any recent history of caring what the Epson lamp units are priced at. Though I for one would welcome a re-think on the JVC laser pricing...

 

[markymiles]

JVC for me are completely out of the question. So fingers crossed the pricing is typical Epson. £5K would be perfect, but I'm thinking it might be a bit more than that. Not long to find out hopefully...........

 

[Luminated67]

many unanswered questions ...

DTM ? no new projector in 2021 should come without this...
HDMI 2,1 ? what sort of implementation .. partial ? or full and band width ? will they do a 9300 ?
Contrast ... more or less than current .... ? hopefully native 4k doesnt cause a hit to contrast ..
P3 filter ... better or worse than current in hit to luminance
Price am sure folks wondering ...
Calibrated lumens... how much of that 2700 lumens is pegged back in calibration

all in good time am sure

Not too long before all those questions will be answered.

 

[Luminated67]

Maybe, maybe not. I'm not sure JVC have any recent history of caring what the Epson lamp units are priced at. Though I for one would welcome a re-think on the JVC laser pricing...

Everything including the machines are speculation but let’s assume the above is correct then it all hinges on what price these Epsons are, the cheapest 3 chip Laser projector currently is the NZ7 which in the UK is £11.5 less possible discounts. If Epson even double the price of the 9400 you are taking £5K for a machine which is basically the equivalent to this NZ7 but with more lumens.

The really big question is like @alebonau already said will they have DTM, will it have HDMI 2.1, etc, these are all things that ultimately sweeten the deal to the point that possibly spending near on double for the JVC makes it a very hard pill to swallow.

 

[IWC Dopplel]

Wow, the 10,500 replacement is finally here ! I do hope the contrast is marginally better and the lumens calibrated a little stronger. Amazing !!

 

[Trophy hunter]

If the contrast is similar to the n5 and price about 5 to 6k then I would jump ship.

 

[DaViD Boulet]

wonder if this is transmissive LCD or if Epson has returned to reflective LCOS (as they had with their last laser model)...

 

[kenshingintoki]

If the contrast is similar to the n5 and price about 5 to 6k then I would jump ship.

Contrast isn't going to be close to the N5 mate. I don't think the black level is going to touch Sony but hopefully I'm wrong.

2700 lumens is 2700 lumens in dynamic mode. Check the Epson 9300/9400 numbers when they are switched from Dynamic to natural, or even just calibrated in dynamic mode. The number drops from 2700 to like 1400.

 

[kenshingintoki]

Wow, the 10,500 replacement is finally here ! I do hope the contrast is marginally better and the lumens calibrated a little stronger. Amazing !!

Whats your LS10500 contrast level like compared to an N5? Ever cared to compare?

I know the LS series contrast is meant to be in a different league to the 9300/9400 but the few people I know who have moved from LS to 9400 preferred 9400 which is worrying as I thought the contrast os the LS is meant to leave it in the dust.

Also LS to JVC owners, every single one of them swears the contrast difference is massive.

 

[IWC Dopplel]

Whats your LS10500 contrast level like compared to an N5? Ever cared to compare?

I know the LS series contrast is meant to be in a different league to the 9300/9400 but the few people I know who have moved from LS to 9400 preferred 9400 which is worrying as I thought the contrast os the LS is meant to leave it in the dust.

Also LS to JVC owners, every single one of them swears the contrast difference is massive.

Not sure about the N5, I actually think the LS10500 is very good, if you check the spec whilst its only 30,000 full on off its better than a lot between 1-20% from. I rarely walk away from seeing another set up and think Ive seen black levels notably beyond what I get at home

 

[AmigoHD]

Whats your LS10500 contrast level like compared to an N5? Ever cared to compare?

I know the LS series contrast is meant to be in a different league to the 9300/9400 but the few people I know who have moved from LS to 9400 preferred 9400 which is worrying as I thought the contrast os the LS is meant to leave it in the dust.

Also LS to JVC owners, every single one of them swears the contrast difference is massive.

contrast wise my LS10000 is lower than an N5. laser dimming is working fine (keep in mind this projector came out in 2014). contrast is not everything. but the LS tops every TW by at least factor 3-5 in terms of native contrast. it can go deeply black with iris and laser dimming. a friend owns a sony 760 and mine had better contrast until a new fw came out which fixed some iris problems.
If they keep reflective LCD technology, add native 4K, a brightness bump and modern features e.g. hdmi 2.1, proper FI, DTM... this will get my attention and the LS12000 could replace my LS10000.
To be honest I am very satisfied with the LS10x00. Quality wise it's much better than any TW.
I do see people switching from LS to TW due to the higher brightness and better hdr support. But the picture quality between LS and TW is day and night.

 

[kenshingintoki]

Not sure about the N5, I actually think the LS10500 is very good, if you check the spec whilst its only 30,000 full on off its better than a lot between 1-20% from. I rarely walk away from seeing another set up and think Ive seen black levels notably beyond what I get at home

contrast wise my LS10000 is lower than an N5. laser dimming is working fine (keep in mind this projector came out in 2014). contrast is not everything. but the LS tops every TW by at least factor 3-5 in terms of native contrast. it can go deeply black with iris and laser dimming. a friend owns a sony 760 and mine had better contrast until a new fw came out which fixed some iris problems.
If they keep reflective LCD technology, add native 4K, a brightness bump and modern features e.g. hdmi 2.1, proper FI, DTM... this will get my attention and the LS12000 could replace my LS10000.
To be honest I am very satisfied with the LS10x00.

Good to hear.

I am running a 165'' screen so likely I need lumens more than I need the contrast of the N5. I guess its a waiting game now to see if Epson mean 2700 calibrated lumens or 1300 calibrated lumens and 2700 in dynamic mode.

Sadly I think I have a feeling I already know which they mean.


I'd rather stick with Epson for the customer service but they have a few massive leaps to get over (DTM being the main one).

 

[AmigoHD]

I have a feeling as well that the 2700 lumens are in it's brightest, uncalibrated mode (dynamic). in my case this is not a problem at all, as I do use the dynamic mode with a 3D LUT calibration. we have to wait and see what numbers we get in natural mode which is usually the closest to D65 on epsons.

 

[Trophy hunter]

Not sure about the N5, I actually think the LS10500 is very good, if you check the spec whilst its only 30,000 full on off its better than a lot between 1-20% from. I rarely walk away from seeing another set up and think Ive seen black levels notably beyond what I get at home

The n5 is a very big step up compared to the ls-10500. I had both at the same time.

 

[howieeb]

More the merrier. Let the competiton heat up, quality improve and the prices drop!

 

[kenshingintoki]

The n5 is a very big step up compared to the ls-10500. I had both at the same time.

Thanks mate. Was it in blacks, contrast, brightness or everything?

 

[kenshingintoki]

More the merrier. Let the competiton heat up, quality improve and the prices drop!

Exactly. Awesome news. If Epson are truly releasing a high end laser projector with DTM, a massive contrast bump and a higher lumen output than the NZ7, then JVC are in trouble at least in the UK with the extortionate pricing they've tried to pull.

Combine that with Epson's far superior return to base warranty program with direct Epson contact, the built in 3D transmitter which is another small cost saving and its really becoming quite attractive.

Also knowing laser is a new technology we are all a bit in the dark about, I'd much rather have a very strong warranty which is easily accessible.

Epson will likely price reasonably in the UK too. Historically we haven't had an extra £1k on the price tag because we are in the UK.

 

[494930]

Good to hear.

I am running a 165'' screen so likely I need lumens more than I need the contrast of the N5. I guess its a waiting game now to see if Epson mean 2700 calibrated lumens or 1300 calibrated lumens and 2700 in dynamic mode.

Sadly I think I have a feeling I already know which they mean.


I'd rather stick with Epson for the customer service but they have a few massive leaps to get over (DTM being the main one).

Epson obviously mean 2700lm in its brightest mode but for what it's worth my LS10500 (1500lm) is brighter than my TW7300 (2300lm) was once both have been calibrated.

 

[kenshingintoki]

Epson obviously mean 2700lm in its brightest mode but for what it's worth my LS10500 (1500lm) is brighter than my TW7300 (2300lm) was once both have been calibrated.

Lets see where its price settles.

It its price to compete with the N5, game-on! If its priced to compete with the NZ7, it'll have a tough time.

 

[Trophy hunter]

Thanks mate. Was it in blacks, contrast, brightness or everything?

A bit of everything. But I still liked it epson ls-10500.