New DVD RAM recorders ?

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  1. RecordablDVDfan

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    Did I read that Panasonic and others were bringing out new models soon ?
     
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    On the budget end of the market (i.e. DVD-RAM standalones) Toshiba is releasing the DR1, JVC the DMR1, Samsung the DVR3000 and Panasonic the E70. The first two have threads named after them if your interested.

    Next year Panasonic are releasing modified versions of all their existing players (expected to be the same bar a few small modifications and full HiMAT compatibility and DVD-Audio support). No news of next years budget models from JVC or Toshiba (probably won't be announced until next year) but both have HDD/DVD-RAM combos out early next year (with the E100 out in October/November).
     
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    Yes - it's a shame really - but not unexpected. They are happy to support it in PC drives so it would make sense to extend this to their set-tops, even if it was just as a 're-useable' DVD-R.
     
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    But the EM50 supports DVD-RW ?
     
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    Only to play - not to record onto.
     
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    Hi

    Yes it supports DVD-RAM and DVD-R, no mention of DVD-RW which is what we are referring to.

    It only plays DVD-RW, doesn't record to it.

    Regards

    Philip
     
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    Are you sure, I thought if it records DVD-R it would also record DVD-RW ??
     
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    Nope, Your thought is wrong :), The Panasonic E30/E50/E60/HS2/E100 only support recording to DVD-RAM and DVD-R, But some of the models can read written DVD-RW.
     
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    Yes. DVD-RAM, DVD-RW and DVD-R recently became "one" in the PC world in the form of "DVD Multi". However there are more 'politics' at work in the set-top world. Pioneer and Panasonic are competitors in Japan (and everywhere else soon) and thus neither are currently supporting the others products. Hopefully sense will prevail and DVD-RW support will be added to Panny models sooner or later (even if it is just Video mode support like Toshiba and JVC have implemented.
     
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    Just to summerise then, formats supported (i.e. formats it will RECORD to) by the set-top units of major companies are:

    JVC: DVD-RAM, DVD-RW (Video Mode), DVD-R
    Panasonic: DVD-RAM, DVD-R
    Philips: DVD+RW, DVD+R
    Pioneer: DVD-RW (Video & VR Modes), DVD-R
    Samsung: DVD-RAM, DVD-R
    Sony: DVD-RW (Video & VR Modes), DVD-R, DVD+RW
    Toshiba: DVD-RAM, DVD-RW (Video Mode), DVD-R
     
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    Right so why can you not record on a DVD-RW disk then ? Sounds a bit weird to me. LIke saying with a CD burner you can only record onto CDR and not CDRW. Only the disk surface is different
    on a CDRW no ? Enlighten me with your technical knowledge!
     
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    The inability to record onto DVD-RW is not a technical problem. It's solely a political one. Panasonic believes that DVD-RAM is the recording medium of choice and accordingly makes DVD-RAM recorders. To enable people to make compatible recordings though they have added DVD-R. Perhaps to "keep it simple" or solely because Pioneer supports DVD-RW support for this isn't included in Panny models.

    DVD-RW (Video Mode) support could have been easily added as shown by the upcoming Toshiba and JVC models.
     
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    Hi

    Ironic that DVD-R, like DVD-RW is a Pioneer format also!

    Again adding just the Video mode is political, why not allow video recording mode as well? It is exactly the same application format as DVD-RAM, it isn't any different and would be supported by the firmware already. It is a case of ensuring sales of DVD-RAM, which I guess is understandable but just leads to continual market confusion. This is poor form considering the recent press releases of the initiatives in coming together and increasing compatibility.

    These recorders are not DVD Multi recorders either. DVD Multi recorders must support the VR mode on DVD-RAM and DVD-RW to be logo'd as DVD Multi.

    The + side is just as bad, with no consistent level of features with the Taiwanese recorders being dumb downed so much you might as well have DVD-RW in the Video Mode for all the editing features +RW gives on these machines.

    The whole DVD recordable industry is complete mess.

    Regards

    Philip
     
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    It is a bit. It is certainly confusing for someone entering the market anyway. I would suggest the problem isn't going to get any better either. But with most producers more-or-less agreed on BluRay (bar Toshiba who will probably come into line) we may have a single HD format (excluding software HD solutions such as DivX and Windows Media Video). Until Philips decide to rush a quick-to-market BluRay+RW to market that is.
     
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    It's all getting far too complex, there's only so many hours in a day etc. Most have to work so where's all the time for all these endless toys to play with. The worlds gone mad!!
     
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    Can someone explain to me what 'DVD-RW (Video Mode)' I understand the DVD-RW but what does Video Mode mean in this context and how does it differ from VR Mode
     
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    Hi

    DVD-RW has two recording modes in set-top recorders.

    One is known as Video Recording, this is the same format as used on DVD-RAM and provides editing features etc. This format can not be played on most DVD players, as even though DVD players can mostly read DVD-RW, they can not understand the method used to record it.

    DVD-RW can also be recorded in the Video mode, this is the same mode as used on DVD-R and standard DVDs and so will create a DVD-RW that will play in around 60 or 70% of existing DVD Players. Because DVD Video hasn't been designed for editing (it was designed for the mass production of pressed DVDs like you buy) it has limited editing features.

    So DVD-RW can be used in one of two ways.

    DVD-RAM could also be recorded using the DVD Video mode, however DVD players still couldn't play the DVD-RAM disc as they physically can not read it, so DVD-RAM always sticks with the DVD Video Recording mode.

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