Question new drives for nas

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    1. thorley37

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      I am looking to get new drives for my nas, I narrowed it down to WD reds and Seagate Ironwolfs as anyone got experience of these drives
       
    2. adam-burnley

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      You can't go wrong with WD Reds.
       
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      Agreed.
      Five years ago I might have said Seagate as their Barracudas were great but not that impressive now.
       
    4. Joe C

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      I have 4x6TB Red's in my NAS for my general data, and 2x6TB Purple's in the expansion shelf for my CCTV - all superb
       
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      WD Reds here too, great drives.
       
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      I'll go against the grain slightly, WD Reds are great, I have 5 in my NAS and had 1 failure of the oldest drive.
      I replaced it with a Seagate Ironwolf and have since bought 2 more. They're not as old as the WD Reds but have yet to suffer any more failures of either.
       
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      How old was the failed drive, and what prompted you to go for the Seagate?
       
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      After replacing 2 3TB Reds, after only 2 years, I went for a Toshiba 4TB.
       
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      I'm all WD Reds in my NAS - 4x 6TB, 4x 4TB.

      I always look at Backblaze's reports when deciding.

      2017 Hard Drive Failure Rate Comparison

      Edit: For my NAS drives anway. I'm trying to move all other computers to SSD.
       
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      WD reds are super quiet compared to many of the counterparts.

      If your looking for a really quiet drive, make sure it’s a 5400rpm and you have a drive which is also twice as quiet as some 7200rpm drives
       
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      It was a 3TB, it was not quite 3 years old. The Seagate was on special offer and significantly cheaper than the WD Red and are still slightly cheaper today.

      I know many people say HDD brand "X" sucks because I had "X" fail.
      Every brand I've owned has failed at some point. That's why you have a backup.
       
    12. adam-burnley

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      Why didn't you have it replaced under warranty?

      WD will ship you an advance replacement drive and provide free return postage for the failed drive.
       
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      Stupidity.

      At the time I didn't know how long the warranty was, presumed it was out of warranty and destroyed it.
      I have RMA'd drives before, but they died in considerably less time.
       
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      I do use Toshiba's X300 Pro HDD in my machine, however I do find them a little nosier than the Western Digital Red 5400rpm drives. Their dB is almost 50% quieter :eek:, there still quieter than the Sky box though :D
       
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      Use WD reds here.
       
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      I use WD Reds in my Synology. It runs super quiet (it used to be in a room where someone slept).

      They seem reliable. In fact I am currently adding a 3rd to my array.
       
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      I've a load of WD Reds and Seagate 8TB consumer drives (some of both ripped from USB cases). No failures in years of either (the server sits in a cold damp cellar) - more than 10 of each in my server.

      Look at the Backblaze reports - current big drives are a lot more reliable than a few years ago post Thailand floods - across all brands (especially Seagate).

      I can't see any difference between the two in my use (backup and bluray rips) - your choice might be down to whether you use shingled drives or not (most big drives are now). I think most NAS units play nicer with them now, and the shingled drives are better with bigger caches etc so that might not even come into it anyway.

      One thing I do notice is that the Seagate drives are a lot cheaper than WD. You can normally buy four for the price of 3 WDs. If that means you can run dual parity instead of single parity, or keep a spare in a drawer, I know what my choice would be.
       
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      I'd advise staying clear of WD Reds (and WD drives in general).

      I've got four in one of my NASs, 2*1TB and 2*2TB, one of the 1TB drives failed within 9 months and one of the 2TB drives after 11 months.

      I haven't had much luck with WDs since they took over Tandon in the very early 90s and have steered clear of them since the mid/late 90s. Always gone for Samsung and Seagate and never had a single failure...these Reds have only confirmed that I made the right choice avoiding WDs.
       
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      WD red.
      Slower speed but longevity.
      Not cheap either but worth it.
       
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      Too many inconsistences. You're making no sense.
      You've steered clear of WD since the 90s, but somehow installed them in a small consumer NAS.
      Attributing WDs decline to a minor takeover of a company nearly 30 years ago.
      WD Reds have proved to be a very reliable consumer grade drive. My choice would be HGST, another WD company. Seagate are still trying to turn the corner from the terrible drives they manufactured 5 or so years ago.
       
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      No inconsistencies whatsoever.

      I've avoided WD like the plague since the mid/late 90s. However, I stupidly believed the glowing reviews of WD Reds three years or so back and took a chance and bought 4 to install in my HP MicroServer (not quite "a small consumer NAS") when I was setting it up. Result, 50% failure rate within 12 months!

      My other NAS, "a small consumer NAS", has a pair of Samsungs in it which are now pushing 9 years old. They've been running almost continuously for all that time and according to the weekly SMART tests are in almost as good condition as the day I commissioned them.

      I know which ones I trust!

      Hardly a "minor" takeover, Tandon were a big player in those days (though not renowned for reliability).

      During the 80s WD drives were built like tanks and were extraordinarily reliable. I've got several full height and half height 5.25" WD ST506 drives in vintage machines which work to this day.

      When WD took over Tandon they cut costs by stopping the manufacture of their own over engineered, bullet proof drive mechanisms and started shipping rebadged, mediocre quality Tandon units instead. I went through three of their rebadged 40MB Tandon IDE drives in less than 6 months, every one developed the same issue: failure to achieve the correct speed at spin up.

      Years later, during the mid/late 90s, I was working hardware and network support at a local college. Guess which manufacturers' drives were constantly and consistently dropping like flies in our machines?

      Would I spend my own money on WD drives again? When hell freezes over perhaps...

      Whereas WD have never recovered from their merger with Tandon AFAICT. They still seem to be producing hardware that's built cheaply and barely up to the job. The only drives I've ever encountered which had a higher failure rate were the old 2.5" IBM Deathstars, sorry, Travelstars.


      EDIT: I also currently have a pair of 320GB WD Blues here which a friend asked me to have a look at as his PC was having trouble initialising them. They're NOS and unused, which the SMART data confirms, but are peppered with unstable sectors. Running a short or long drive test results in a read failure within 30 seconds. Can't say I'm surprised.
       
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      Avoid WD Green...........
      I have lost TBs worth of data on those......
       
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      At a conference I attended a few decades ago, one of the speakers said "all hard disc drives fail in the end - they are mechanical devices with moving parts - the question is not if they are going to fail, but when."

      As someone said a few posts back, that's why we do backups and (if it's important enough to have continuous access to data) use redundancy (such as RAID and SAN's.)

      The same speaker also said, (in so many words,) "I've been speaking at conferences like this for 30 years and even after all that time I still find myself saying I cannot see the end of the mechanical hard disc drive in the next five years."

      I find it interesting to reflect on, that both of these themes still hold true today.

      The increase in capacity is also amazing: 30 years ago the mainframe shop I worked in had a entire hall full of wardrobe sized "HDD's" and between the lot of them, there was 2.2TB of storage - nowadays we can get five times that and more on a single 3.5 inch drive you can hold in your hand. But I'm reminiscing now... :beer::smoke:
       
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      IIRC WD greens are badged as "AV" drives and, by design, are less reliable, lower power, lower speed, lower noise, lower heat and lower cost. Their use case is for things like PVR's where loss of (or corrupt) data is inconvenient, but not the end of the world. For example a few dodgy bits in a video recording would cause a playback glitch, but it isn't the catastrophy that a corrupt (say) Word document would be.

      IIRC I fitted one to my Freesat box when the (stock) Seagate drive died, for exactly these reasons - it's quiet, cool, cheap and it doesn't matter if I get a glitch playing back Eastenders (not that I've seen one yet.) Whereas I would not use greens in my NAS for all the same reasons and where I need reliability and durability.

      I believe other manufacturers feature "AV" drives with much the same logic and use case.
       
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      Precisely.

      I don't think it's unreasonable for them to at least last through the warranty period though. :D
       
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      Think I have had 3 go on me, that clicking sound (oh Bugger) stilling with Red now.
      Even our work server 36TB is full of reds, had one failure in 8 years so not bad.
      I do like Seagate and found Hitachi a bit hit and miss also.
       
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      As stated above all HDs fail eventually but my personal experience is that Seagate drives are very noisy and they are not as reliable as WD.

      Most people purchase HDs online and I think many of the failures can be blamed on couriers smashing the hell out of the boxes.
       
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      There's a lot of stuff there, but my suggestion would be to start by looking at the list of approved drives for your NAS (assuming it has one) and stick to those, as otherwise getting support can be tricky.
      (E.g. with Qnap: Compatibility List - QNAP )
      Personally I like the WD Reds and am about to buy another bunch.
      If the NAS is somewhere where noise is an issue you care about running noise somewhat and spin-up noise maybe. The latter is harder to get numbers for. Oh and you can always put a rubber mat under the NAS to help.
       
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      Been using WD red's in my microserver since 2012. Had 0 issues so far (touch wood).
       

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