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  1. bsuttie

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    Hi, looking to buy a new desktop and have been pointed in the direction of this ebuyer deal :

    Extra Value Desktop PC - Desktops | Ebuyer.com

    Intel Pentium DC E5800 3.2GHz
    4GB RAM (will probably add another 4GB for win7 64 bit)
    1TB HDD
    DVD Writer
    No Operating System

    It seems like good value and ideal as I have a spare unused copy of Windows 7 and Dell 24" monitor, keyboard and mouse available

    Reviews are good, will probably look to upgrade video card and PSU as some of them suggest.

    Mainly to be used for video streaming, surfing and light gaming (PS3 used for most gaming)

    Anyone have one of these? or can recommend something better for similar money?

    Any thoughts appreciated

    regards

    Brian
     
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    The E5800 is very dated, for not much more I'm sure you can find a basic Intel Sandy Bridge i3 barebones system. By the time you add another 4GB of RAM, PSU and video card, you may as well build a system yourself especially given the fact the desktop doesn't come with Windows 7 and you already have a 64-bit copy!

    What do you mean by light gaming? I would say I'm a light gamer but use a GTX470 as I like the eye candy, whilst others are happy with integrated GPUs and lower settings?

    If your after a PC for very very casual gaming (low resolution, low settings, no AA etc) and streaming, worth considering AMD Llano. Seems perfect for your needs.

    What's your ideal total final budget, including adding PSU, 4GB or RAM and video card etc?
     
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    thanks, yes I did notice that some of the reviews were a year or so old. I guess I'd be happy to spend £ 300 - £ 350 for a machine that would be around a bit longer?

    regards

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    Couple of quick spec's below.

    Intel (from ebuyer)

    MSI H61MA-E35 (B3) Intel Motherboard
    320146 £51.10

    Corsair 8GB (2x4GB) DDR3 1333MHz XMS3 Memory Kit CL9 1.5V unbuffered
    247674 £29.99

    Intel Core i3 2120 3.3GHz Socket 1155 3MB L3 Cache Retail Boxed Processor
    254978 £95.26

    OCZ Stealth Xstream II 500W PSU - 3x SATA 1x PCI-E
    £41.93

    Bitfenix Merc Alpha Case
    289021 £32.38

    Crucial 64GB M4 SSD - 2.5" SATA-III - Read 415MB/s Write 95MB/s
    264770 £80.00

    Samsung SH-222AB 22x DVD±RW DL & RAM SATA Optical Drive - OEM Black
    268621 £11.98

    Cart total inc vat: £342.64

    • Much faster CPU.
    • Can upgrade CPU to an i5 or i7 later on down the line.
    • SSD included but can swap for a normal mechanical drive if you want.
    • No dedicated GPU so not really going to get very far with games though.
    • If you have a spare HDD lying around that would be perfect. Remove the SSD and throw in a Radeon HD6770 and you'll have a nice basic machine that will handle games at least at medium settings I'd say without too much trouble.
    • Motherboard has USB 3.0 and SATAIII (6Gb/s), so will really make the most of a nice SSD!;)

    AMD Llano (ebyer again)

    OCZ Stealth Xstream II 500W PSU - 3x SATA 1x PCI-E
    204355 £41.93

    Bitfenix Merc Alpha Case
    289021 £32.38

    Crucial 64GB M4 SSD - 2.5" SATA-III - Read 415MB/s Write 95MB/s
    264770 £80.00

    Samsung SH-222AB 22x DVD±RW DL & RAM SATA Optical Drive
    268621 £11.98

    AMD Llano A6 A3500 2.1GHz Socket FM1 3MB L2 Cache Retail Boxed Processor
    281336 £66.18

    MSI A75A-G35 A75 Socket FM1 8 Channel HD Audio ATX Motherboard
    320152 £54.00

    Kingston 8GB (2x4GB) DDR3 1600MHz HyperX Blu Memory Kit CL9 1.65V
    272176 £32.00

    Cart total inc vat: £318.47

    • Little bit cheaper than i3 Sandy Bridge.
    • Slower CPU.
    • The AMD Llano Tri-Core A6 A3500 has an APU with a Radeon HD6530D which will cope with gaming at low resolution and lower settings.
    • Same applies to the SSD as above.

    comparison here between an i3-2100 and A6 A360.

    If it was me and you don't plan on doing any gaming get the Intel setup and maybe keep an eye out on the classified for a cheap dedicated GPU you can throw in there. Perhaps something like a 5770 for £40-50 would be ideal!:)
     
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    Thanks so much - some really good ideas there - like the SSD idea particularly. Will let you know how it goes

    regards

    Brian
     
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    Have just placed the order for the Intel build. Chickened out on the SSD at the last minute - put in a SATA lll Barracuda drive as it was on offer.

    Hopefully get it built next weekend

    thanks again

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    Well, have just finished the build - all seemed to go smoothly but can't get it to start!

    Pressing the power button and the fans run for a couple of seconds but no more life than that.

    Have disconnected everything apart from power and power switch from the motherboard, removed RAM and still same symptoms.

    Have tried a spare ATX power supply - again same symptoms.

    Have I done something silly or is it looking like a duff motherboard?

    Any thoughts appreciated

    Brian
     
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    The case switch, may need power for any latching circuitry.
     
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    Any motherboard LED lights or bleep codes?

    • Remove/disconnect all hard drives and optical drives.
    • If you have built the system in the case make sure you use all the brass motherboard standoffs and they are secure.
    • Remove one stick of RAM and try booting with a single stick in each memory dimm slot
    • Go over every single connector carefull, removing and replacing it tightly. All you should need connected is CPU_FAN HEADER, both the 24-pin power connector and 8-pin eps CPU power connector and one stick of RAM to get into the BIOS/POST screen.
    • If you still don't have any luck might be worth rebuilding the system on a desk outside of the case.
    • Try using a different kettle lead to connect to the power supply/check fuse in plug.
    • Presumably PSU is switched on at the back.
    • Check very carefully that the front panel connect is wired up right. This is very easy to get wrong. If the motherboard has an onboard power switch use this (or short using a screw driver the two power on pins on the front panel connector).

    I know some of the above are obvious but go over each in turn carefully and good luck.:)
     
  10. bsuttie

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    Shadowboxer, you are a genius.

    It was the mention of the separate CPU power that got me up and running - it's actually a 4 pin but that was the one!

    Sure the last PC I built didn't have that - it was a long time ago though.

    All RAM and hardware recognised - Windows 7 installing now

    Thanks again - components all look like excellent choices.

    Please PM me if you have a PayPal address and I'll happily send you a virtual beer!

    regards

    Brian
     

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