New Denon AVR-X3800H / AVR-X2800H / AVR-X580BT released in Japan

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Official Japanese Press Release Below - Looks like X4800H due out a little later and the 6800 range might not be out until late 2023/24

[NEW PRODUCT] AVR-X3800H / AVR-X2800H / AVR-X580BT 8K/4K HIGH-PERFORMANCE AV SURROUND RECEIVER 3 MODELS FOR FULLY ENJOYING HIGH-DEFINITION AND HIGH-QUALITY CONTENT IN THE UHD ERA!

Sep 15, 2022


Denon will release the 9.4ch AV surround receiver "AVR-X3800H" and the 7.2ch AV surround receiver "AVR-X2800H" in late October, and the 5.2ch AV surround receiver "AVR-X580BT" in late September.
AVR-X3800H has 6 inputs/2 outputs out of 6 inputs/3 outputs, AVR-X2800H has 3 inputs/2 outputs out of 6 inputs/2 outputs, AVR-X580BT has all 4 inputs/1 output, up to 40 Gbps 8K/60Hz and 4K/120Hz video signal pass-through, so you can fully enjoy the new 4K/8K satellite broadcasting, video distribution services, and ultra-high-definition and smooth image beauty of the latest game consoles with high-quality sound. I can. Of course, in addition to simply supporting 8K, HDR (High Dynamic Range), which enhances the expressiveness of brightness and colors and improves the reality of images, supports HDR10+ and Dynamic HDR in addition to HDR10, Dolby Vision, and HLG. also supported. eARC (* Only AVR-X580BT does not support immersive audio) that enables input of multi-channel linear PCM signals from TVs, Dolby Atmos, DTS:X and other immersive audio signals, ALLM, VRR that innovates gaming & VR experiences, It also supports the latest features such as QFT, raising the quality of the home theater experience to new heights.

In terms of sound quality, bring out the true value of lossless audio and immersive audio, and reproduce sound that approaches the dubbing stage in your home theater. In order to embody the ideals that Denon's AV amps aim for, all models have undergone thorough sound tuning. The sound master Shinichi Yamauchi, who handles the sound quality tuning of all Denon products, and the sound quality engineer have accumulated over many years of knowledge, custom-made high-quality sound parts, and circuit design technology. All models have fidelity close to that of Hi-Fi audio.

The AVR-X3800H supports Dolby Atmos, DTS:X, MPEG-4 AAC, as well as IMAX Enhanced and Auro-3D. A 9ch amplifier is built in, and a surround system including 4ch height speakers can be constructed by itself. Furthermore, since it supports processing up to 11.4ch, you can use up to 6ch height speakers by adding an external power amplifier. In addition, up to four subwoofers can be connected, and the low-frequency components of nearby speakers can be assigned to each subwoofer, so bass directionality and movement can be accurately reproduced. . The pre-out is equipped with 11.4ch, and if you use the "preamp mode" that separates the preamp from the built-in amplifier, you can output a high-purity audio signal to an external power amplifier that is not affected by the operation of the built-in amplifier. . The preamp mode can be set not only for all channels at once, but also for each channel individually.
AVR-X2800H supports Dolby Atmos, DTS:X and MPEG-4 AAC. With a built-in 7ch amplifier, you can build a surround system including 2ch height speakers or surround back speakers. Up to 2 subwoofers can be connected.
The AVR-X580BT supports lossless surround formats Dolby TrueHD and DTS-HD, making it the perfect entry-level home theater model. Up to 2 subwoofers can be connected.

The AVR-X3800H and AVR-X2800H are equipped with the network audio platform "HEOS", and if you add HEOS Built-in devices such as "Denon Home series" smart speakers and sound bars to the system, you can enjoy wireless multi-room. You can easily build the environment. Music streaming services include Amazon Music HD*1, which supports lossless and high-resolution, AWA*1, Spotify*1, and SoundCloud*1. You can also enjoy internet radio broadcasts from around the world. It also supports AirPlay 2, so you can enjoy high-quality audio from Apple Music*1 and apps. For Bluetooth®, both reception and transmission*2 are supported, so you can enjoy TV audio and music with Bluetooth headphones. It also supports playback of DSD files and high-resolution sound sources stored on music servers (PC / Mac / NAS, etc.) on the local network and USB memory. It also supports voice control with Amazon Alexa. In addition to basic operations such as play, stop, skip, and volume adjustment, just talk to Alexa-enabled devices such as Denon Home and Amazon Echo. can be specified for playback. You can also call Internet radio stations by voice. It also supports "Denon AVR Remote" that allows you to operate and set the AV amplifier with a smartphone or tablet, and "Web control function" that allows you to operate and set with a web browser on your smartphone or PC. Wi-Fi supports 2.4/5GHz dual band, MIMO and IEEE 802.11 a/b/g/n/ac, enabling high-speed and stable communication.
In addition to receiving music signals via Bluetooth, the AVR-X580BT also supports the remote control application "Denon 500 Series Remote" that operates AV amplifiers via Bluetooth.

All three models have been redesigned with intuitive setup menus that have received high praise from the past. The display resolution of text and images has been increased to improve the readability of text and the visibility of images. The design has also been refined and reborn into a modern one. The "setup assistant" function, which provides easy-to-understand guidance on initial settings such as speaker connections and settings, input device connections, and network settings with text, images, and animations, has also evolved to make it easier to understand, and is displayed on the TV screen. Anyone can easily set up the AV amplifier just by following the instructions and proceeding with the settings step by step.

*1 Separate registration/contract and fee may be required to use the service.
*1 Headphone volume cannot be adjusted from the AV amplifier. Use Bluetooth headphones with volume control.

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AVR-X3800H / AVR-X2800H / AVR-X580BT 8K/4K UHD時代の高画質&高音質コンテンツを楽しみ尽くすための 高性能AVサラウンドレシーバー3モデルを発売!
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Google translated version for the X3800H

9/15/2022
Kosuke Sugiyama
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デノン、9.4ch出力可能な8K対応AVアンプ「AVR-X3800H」。360 Reality Audioもサポート - PHILE WEB

デノン、9.4ch出力可能な8K対応AVアンプ「AVR-X3800H」。360 Reality Audioもサポート
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"A common feature of all models is that Denon's sound master Shinichi Yamauchi is involved in sound decision, and the HDMI terminal supports 8K / 60p and 4K / 120p. As a result, all Denon AV amplifier lineups will be 8K compatible."

The AVR-X3800H is a middle-class AV amplifier capable of 9.4ch output. As the .4ch says, it is possible to connect up to four subwoofers, and Kiyotaka Tanaka, who is in charge of sales at the company, explained, "This was achieved by installing the DSP 'Griffin Lite XP', which has higher performance than the higher-end models." . Regarding the actual usability, he said, "It's a maniac function, but if you put subwoofers on the front and rear left and right, you can feel the movement of the bass and it's very interesting."

The amplifier section is equipped with a discrete power amplifier with the same configuration for all 9 channels, inheriting Denon's flagship AV amplifier "AVC-X8500HA" and the design concept of Hi-Fi audio. The 9-channel amplifier is divided into two boards and mounted on a heat sink made of thick extruded aluminum, which is said to have excellent heat dissipation efficiency, achieving efficient heat dissipation and suppression of unnecessary vibration. The maximum output is 215W.

In addition, we jointly developed a power transistor with a manufacturer, and created a high-quality sound element that was particular about the circuit pattern inside the semiconductor. Sound master Mr. Yamauchi has achieved the sharp sound image, high resolution, and supple expressiveness that he is aiming for, and many other parts have been reviewed and their placement optimized.

The power supply section is equipped with a custom-designed large EI core transformer. By supplying power from dedicated windings to each of the pre/power amplifiers, mutual interference is suppressed and the purity of the sound is enhanced. Two large-capacity 12,000uF custom capacitors dedicated to this unit are used for the block capacitors. Improvements such as shortening the signal path and power supply line and thickening the board-like pattern have made it possible to achieve the rated output even during 5ch simultaneous playback. More than 70% output is possible.

Stereophonic formats support MPEG-4 AAC, Auro-3D, and 360 Reality Audio in addition to Dolby Atmos and DTS:X. It also supports IMAX Enhanced, virtual 3D surround technology Dolby Atmos Height Virtualizer, and DTS Virtual:X.

Equipped with pre-out mode, pre-out in 11.4ch is possible. Supports speaker placement up to 5.4.6ch. The pre-out mode installed in Denon's previous models could only be turned on/off, but the 3800H allows it to be turned on/off for each channel.

Audio correction technology is equipped with "Audyssey MultEQ XT32" by default, but it is planned to support updating to "Dirac Live" for a fee. According to Mr. Tanaka, "The license is relatively expensive and you need to buy a dedicated microphone, but the effect is incomparable. I think it would be interesting if AV amplifiers to be released in the future also support updates."

The HDMI terminal is equipped with 6 inputs and 3 outputs (including zone output), and all but one for zone output support 8K. 8K upscaling is also possible, and the power supply capacity of the output terminal has been improved from the conventional 200mAh to 300mAh, so high-quality and stable transmission is possible even when using a long HDMI cable that requires power supply.

In addition, it also supports game functions such as eARC and ALLM / VRR / QFT. HDR supports HDR10/Dolby Vision/HLG/HDR10+/Dynamic HDR.

Since it is equipped with the network audio system "HEOS", it is possible to play music streaming services such as Amazon Music HD and Internet radio. It also supports voice operation with Amazon Alexa, AirPlay 2, and Bluetooth transmission and reception.

The external dimensions (when the antenna is erected) are 434W x 237H x 389Dmm, and the weight is 12.5kg.

Edit: Same physical specs as AVR-X3700H as seen as the chart I have included here.
Maximum Dimensions
Antenna: Horizontal: (W x D x H) in Inches
Antenna: Vertical: (W x D x H) in Inches
W/O Antenna: (W x D x H) in Inches
17.1 x 15.3 x 6.6
17.1 x 15.3 x 9.3
17.1 x 14.9 x 6.6
Weight in LBS27.6
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My dealer just told me the list price in the Netherlands will be 1600 euro. That is the same as the 3700h. Don't know if he made a mistake but made a reservation immediately, gave me a standard discount... lets see if he comes back to me with bad news....
 
Another Japanese press report with some more info in those that are interested.

Denon will release 9.4ch "AVR-X3800H" and 7.2ch "AVR-X2800H" as new AV amplifier models in late October. The price is 181,500 yen for AVR-X3800H and 121,000 yen for AVR-X2800H. All colors are black. Denon's sound master, Shinichi Yamauchi, has been deeply involved in the development of this AV amplifier from the beginning.

The X3800 is a new product of the 3000 series AV amplifiers that were not available in Japan. The X2800H is the successor to the X2700H. Both are equipped with discrete power amplifiers with the same configuration for all channels, inheriting the design philosophy of Hi- Fi audio amplifiers. The X3800H has 9 channels with a maximum output of 215W. The X2800H has 7 channels with a maximum output of 185W.

The high-end X3800H is equipped with a heat sink made of thick extruded aluminum with excellent heat dissipation efficiency, and a 9-channel amplifier divided into a single board. Efficient heat dissipation and suppression of unnecessary vibration are realized.

The power transistor is jointly developed with a parts manufacturer, creating a high-quality sound element that is particular about the circuit pattern inside the semiconductor. As a result, "the sharp sound image, high resolution, and supple expressiveness that the Soundmaster aimed for were realized."

The X2800H has also been thoroughly tuned by the sound master, aiming for sharp sound image, high resolution, and supple expressiveness. The effect of noise has been minimized by lowering the impedance of the signal line and power supply line on the power amplifier board and optimizing the parts layout. By using two power supply lines, crosstalk between channels and the SN ratio have also been improved.

Both models use high-quality film capacitors in the power amplifier input stage .

Supports object audio Dolby Atmos and DTS:X. When playing stereo, 5.1ch, or 7.1ch sources, you can use Dolby Surround or Neural:X to upmix to 3D sound. Virtual 3D surround Dolby Atmos Height Virtualizer and DTS Virtual:X are Also available. Even in an environment where height speakers or surround speakers are not installed, pseudo immersive audio can be reproduced.

The X3800H has a built-in 9ch power amp and can be expanded to 11ch by adding a stereo power amp. In that case, height speakers can be assigned up to 6ch. If you don't use the surround back or height speakers, you Can switch between two front speakers or a bi-amp that drives the front with a 4ch amplifier.

The X2800H supports 5.1.2 speaker placement. Two highs and speakers can be connected. If you don't use the surround back or height speakers, this model also allows the front to be bi-amp driven with a 4ch amp or switch between two front speakers.

It also supports decoding of MPEG-4 AAC (stereo, 5.1ch), the audio format used in 4K/8K satellite broadcasting. Enjoy 4K and 8K broadcasts with surround sound.

HDR pass-through supports HDR10, Dolby Vision, HLG, as well as HDR10+ and Dynamic HDR. It also supports the new features of HDMI 2.1, "ALLM (Auto Low Latency Mode)", "VRR (Variable Refresh Rate)", and "QFT (Quick Frame Transport)".

As for the HDMI terminal, the X3800H has 6 inputs and 2 outputs. All 6 inputs support 8K/60p and 4K/120p. All terminals support HDCP 2.3 copyright protection technology. from 200mA to 300mA, enabling high-quality and stable transmission even when using a long HDMI cable that requires power supply.

The HDMI terminal of the X2800H also has 6 inputs and 2 outputs, but 3 of the inputs and 2 of the outputs support 8K/60p and 4K/120p. All terminals support HDCP 2.3 copyright protection technology. has been improved to 300mA, enabling stable transmission even with long HDMI cables that require power supply.

In order to achieve a clean and stable power supply, both the X3800H and X2800H are equipped with custom-designed large EI core transformers for low leakage flux and low vibration. power amplifier.

For the block capacitors in the power supply, two large-capacity 12,000uF custom capacitors tuned specifically for each model are used. Improvements such as shortening the signal path and power supply line and thickening the pattern on the board made it possible to achieve a high output of 70% or more of the rated output even during simultaneous playback of 5 channels.

The digital power supply board that supplies power to the DAC, DSP, and HDMI circuits has been completely redesigned. By using sound quality countermeasure parts such as ELNA capacitors, we have improved the purity of the sound and pursued a wider spatial expression.

By increasing the switching frequency of the digital power supply circuit to approximately three times the normal frequency, switching noise is shifted out of the audible band, eliminating the effect on the reproduced sound. digital power supply circuit with a shield plate, interference with peripheral circuits is suppressed .

Instead of using an all-in-one volume IC, we adopted custom devices specialized for the input selector , volume, and output selector jointly developed with a semiconductor manufacturer. used in the flagship model "AVC-X8500HA" is also introduced to the two models.By mounting dedicated devices on the board in an optimal layout, we have achieved a simple and straight signal path that prioritizes sound quality.

The X3800H is equipped with eight 32-bit compatible DACs, and the X2800H is equipped with four, which were selected through listening tests by Sound Master. video and network circuits.

Equipped with network audio platform "HEOS". It is also possible to play high-resolution files saved on streaming services, Internet radio, NAS in LAN, etc. Streaming services support Amazon Music HD, AWA, Spotify, SoundCloud, etc.

When playing music files via a network or from a USB memory, DSD can play up to 5.6MHz, and PCM can play up to 192kHz/24bit. It also supports gapless playback of DSD, WAV, FLAC, and Apple Lossless files.

Also supports AirPlay 2 and Bluetooth. Bluetooth can not only receive but also transmit, and can wirelessly transmit the sound of the AV amplifier to Bluetooth headphones .

For automatic sound field correction, the X2800H is equipped with "Audyssey MultEQ XT" and the X3800H is equipped with "Audyssey MultEQ XT32". amplifier alone.

The speaker terminals are arranged in a horizontal row, with the cable insertion opening facing upwards. The GUI will be an "HD GUI" with improved visibility by increasing the display resolution of text and images. Equipped with a "setup assistant" that presents easy -to-understand setting methods with animations.

As a new feature common to both models, wireless functions such as Wi-Fi / network / Bluetooth can now be turned on / off individually. Furthermore, wireless LAN supports IEEE 802.11ac .

As for terminals other than HDMI, the X2800H has analog audio input x 4, PHONO input (MM) x 1, optical digital input x 2, subwoofer pre-out x 2, zone pre-out x 1, headphone output x 1. When the antenna is laid down, the external dimensions are 434 x 341 x 167 mm (width x depth x height) and the weight is 9.5 kg. Power consumption is 500W.

X3800H has analog audio input x 5, PHONO input (MM) x 1, optical digital input x 2, 11.4ch pre-out x 1, zone pre-out x 1, headphone output x 1. When the antenna is laid down, the external dimensions are 434 x 389 x 167 mm (width x depth x height) and the weight is 12.5 kg. Power consumption is 660W.

X3800H only features
Since the X3800H is a product that has met the strict standards of IMAX and DTS, it says, "It can play IMAX Enhanced content as the filmmaker intended. "

MPEG-H 3D Audio (360 Reality Audio) is also supported .

Equipped with the latest audio DSP "Griffin Lite XP", which has a processing capacity that exceeds the DSP installed in the high-end model . ch can be handled with a margin. Auro-3D realized 7.1.4ch.

It also has 11.4ch pre-outs, so you can add a power amplifier to expand the system and upgrade the sound quality. It also has a preamp mode, and previously you could only choose to turn the mode ON/OFF, but from this model you can not only turn off all 9 channels of power amps, but you can also set ON/OFF for each channel. By separating the pre and power, the pre amp will not be affected by distortion when the power amp clips at high output , and you can enjoy high sound quality.

4 independent subwoofer pre-outs are also available. You can set the volume level and the distance to the listening position separately. In addition to manual setting, automatic setting by Audyssey Sub EQ HT is also possible . , which emits the same sound from all four subwoofers, and directivity, which reproduces the bass of speakers set to "small" near each subwoofer.

In the future, it will be added for a fee, but it will be compatible with Dirac Live through a firmware update in 2023. Using patented technology, it not only measures and corrects frequency characteristics, but also measures and corrects sound delays caused by room reflections and speaker position shifts. It is said that it is possible to derive the optimum correction result from this and achieve a wide sweet spot.
 
My dealer just told me the list price in the Netherlands will be 1600 euro. That is the same as the 3700h. Don't know if he made a mistake but made a reservation immediately, gave me a standard discount...
…of? How much wriggle room do dealers have?
 
My dealer just told me the list price in the Netherlands will be 1600 euro. That is the same as the 3700h. Don't know if he made a mistake but made a reservation immediately, gave me a standard discount... lets see if he comes back to me with bad news....
Sorry was not sharp yesterday. The list price of 1600 is 200 euro more expensive than the list price of the 3700h.

So there is a price increase but not a huge one.
 
X3800H looks a pretty good shout for a cheap processor and as it has 4 independent sub outs hopefully as well as standard dirac it will also be compatible DLBC. Guess we'll have to wait and see.
 
X3800H looks a pretty good shout for a cheap processor

Cheap? Look at you in your ivory tower! You realize the amount of population that are willing and able to blow even £1600 on a unnecessary toy like this is very small. Most "normal" people would think you were crazy if you told them you paid even this amount for an AV amp!
 
Cheap? Look at you in your ivory tower! You realize the amount of population that are willing and able to blow even £1600 on a unnecessary toy like this is very small. Most "normal" people would think you were crazy if you told them you paid even this amount for an AV amp!
I would go farther then that, before all this supply disruption a 4700 was cheaper then that.

I still have the email from my supplier saying the 3700 was 1079 euros, I gave up because all of the hdmi problems.
 
Cheap? Look at you in your ivory tower! You realize the amount of population that are willing and able to blow even £1600 on a unnecessary toy like this is very small. Most "normal" people would think you were crazy if you told them you paid even this amount for an AV amp!
I was comparing it to any other Dirac processor seeing as you can turn all the amps off. It would be cheap by comparison. I didn't mean it was cheap generally. Calm down :rolleyes:
 
I wonder whether the sound will actually improve. We have a culture of new model = more features + higher price.
At what point do these features lose value?
The x3700 was £975 at its lowest point. I wonder if the x3800 is going to audibly that much better to justify a massive price hike?
 
If someone thinks that people are in an ivory tower for spending £1600 on a AV Receiver then they are in for the shock if they have a look around on here. Some peoples towers are so tall that they can step onto the surface of moon.
 
I would go farther then that, before all this supply disruption a 4700 was cheaper then that.

I still have the email from my supplier saying the 3700 was 1079 euros, I gave up because all of the hdmi problems.

Yep - I have a Denon 3400H here now that only cost me €400 secondhand and looks exactly the same as this and does basically 90% of what this does. So for 1700 I get literally two more amp channels for two height speakers and an option for new Dirac as more money after - that's it.

Paying 1700 for two height speakers is a lot... and to do it right with another two height, you still have to buy another external amp.

All the manufacturers are absolutely milking the whole Atmos thing.... get 7 channels for reasonable amount but add 4 extra height amps/speakers and they all charge crazy amounts for the privilege. Because they have nothing much more to add as excuse to milk for the multi-thousands for.
 
If someone thinks that people are in an ivory tower for spending £1600 on a AV Receiver then they are in for the shock if they have a look around on here. Some peoples towers are so tall that they can step onto the surface of moon.

Yes I know this is in the haypenny place compared to some of the ridiculous prices of snake oil in AV industry.

Also I'm glad you said spending and not investing! That is another psychological trick I have noticed marketing has got into peoples heads in last few years... no electronics you can buy is an investment, they are all a loss that depreciates fast.
 
Yep - I have a Denon 3400H here now that only cost me €400 secondhand and looks exactly the same as this and does basically 90% of what this does. So for 1700 I get literally two more amp channels for two height speakers and an option for new Dirac as more money after - that's it.

Paying 1700 for two height speakers is a lot... and to do it right with another two height, you still have to buy another external amp.

All the manufacturers are absolutely milking the whole Atmos thing.... get 7 channels for reasonable amount but add 4 extra height amps/speakers and they all charge crazy amounts for the privilege. Because they have nothing much more to add as excuse to milk for the multi-thousands for.
Second hand will always be cheaper, as it is second hand...

I'm upgrading form a 11 years old marantz sr6008 which I was using as a pre amp with an old but still very capable parasound amp.

So this gets me atmos, dirac, clean pre outs with amp off modus, a larger screen (hated that porthole 🤣)

Worth the upgrade for me....
 
Second hand will always be cheaper, as it is second hand...

I'm upgrading form a 11 years old marantz sr6008 which I was using as a pre amp with an old but still very capable parasound amp.

So this gets me atmos, dirac, clean pre outs with amp off modus, a larger screen (hated that porthole 🤣)

Worth the upgrade for me....

Oh yes these would be amazing if you are coming from an amp old enough to not even have Atmos already. The 3400H already has it for me... just not really any way to add height without removing channels from the 7.1 bed which I don't want to do. Anyway I am still interested in this possibly as upgrade, unless I can find some secondhand with similar channel count or better for less.
 
Oh yes these would be amazing if you are coming from an amp old enough to not even have Atmos already. The 3400H already has it for me... just not really any way to add height without removing channels from the 7.1 bed which I don't want to do. Anyway I am still interested in this possibly as upgrade, unless I can find some secondhand with similar channel count or better for less.
Can imagine!

I have 5.1 at the moment, so will start checking height virtualization (does the 3400 have that?)

Than if I want more I need to decide how to implemnt 2 heights. Can't do on/in ceiling, so will have to decide between front height directly above the LCR or reflection on top of the fronts....
 
Can imagine!

I have 5.1 at the moment, so will start checking height virtualization (does the 3400 have that?)

Than if I want more I need to decide how to implemnt 2 heights. Can't do on/in ceiling, so will have to decide between front height directly above the LCR or reflection on top of the fronts....

No 3400H doesn't have height virtualization... I presume this just means any sounds which were supposed to come from height speakers are sent around to side speakers instead.

A lot of AV heads recommend you get the full base channels of 7.1 first before going to heights. Its not really able to go around in flat circle with a big hole behind of two back surround channels. I know a lot of people have seats against back wall which prevents this - not really proper surround at all in this case. Should have seats in middle and with side surrounds to left/right of seat and back surrounds nearly as far behind as the front L/R are.
 
No 3400H doesn't have height virtualization... I presume this just means any sounds which were supposed to come from height speakers are sent around to side speakers instead.

A lot of AV heads recommend you get the full base channels of 7.1 first before going to heights. Its not really able to go around in flat circle with a big hole behind of two back surround channels. I know a lot of people have seats against back wall which prevents this - not really proper surround at all in this case. Should have seats in middle and with side surrounds to left/right of seat and back surrounds nearly as far behind as the front L/R are.
You say "not really proper surround" like that, but in my Yamaha Manual (an old 6.1 Yamaha
DSP-AX630SE) it says rear surrounds on the back wall in line with my sofa, and it sounds pretty good.
So bearing this in mind perhaps you can help me.
I want to get a new receiver, probably the x3800h or the 4800H when it arrives later, I don't even know if I even need the x3800H for my purpose.
My L+R surrounds and 1 rear center ch are built into the wall, my 2 fronts and a sub are as normal. This is my current 6.1 system. When I get new receiver I want to add 2 front atmos speakers above front speakers, so what receiver do I actually need and can I still use the rear surrounds as is ( I cant remove them as built in wall) Will the newer receiver allow me to use this configuration ?
Thanks in advance.

My current setup.

MY SURROUND POS 2.PNG
 
You say "not really proper surround" like that, but in my Yamaha Manual (an old 6.1 Yamaha
DSP-AX630SE) it says rear surrounds on the back wall in line with my sofa, and it sounds pretty good.
So bearing this in mind perhaps you can help me.
I want to get a new receiver, probably the x3800h or the 4800H when it arrives later, I don't even know if I even need the x3800H for my purpose.
My L+R surrounds and 1 rear center ch are built into the wall, my 2 fronts and a sub are as normal. This is my current 6.1 system. When I get new receiver I want to add 2 front atmos speakers above front speakers, so what receiver do I actually need and can I still use the rear surrounds as is ( I cant remove them as built in wall) Will the newer receiver allow me to use this configuration ?
Thanks in advance.

My current setup.

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Where's your front center channel? Kind of important channel as 99% of dialog comes from it. Not as good if you are just spreading dialog to left/right....

If I were you I'd move the couch forward a bit away from the wall so it is more centered between front and back speakers.

Apart from the missing center you basically have 7.1 system, so you need 9.1 amp to do two overheads... but could find a 7.1 amp which does 9.1 processing (ie it has extra two outputs for height - but you need some cheap external 2 channel amp for them) The 9.1 built in amps are usually a lot more pricey.

Not sure what you mean by "use this configuration" - your speaker layout is 100% standard there.
 
Where's your front center channel? Kind of important channel as 99% of dialog comes from it. Not as good if you are just spreading dialog to left/right....

If I were you I'd move the couch forward a bit away from the wall so it is more centered between front and back speakers.

Apart from the missing center you basically have 7.1 system, so you need 9.1 amp to do two overheads... but could find a 7.1 amp which does 9.1 processing (ie it has extra two outputs for height - but you need some cheap external 2 channel amp for them) The 9.1 built in amps are usually a lot more pricey.

Not sure what you mean by "use this configuration" - your speaker layout is 100% standard there.
Sorry I do have a front center speaker in the TV unit, I forgot to include in the diagram.
I am not able to move the Sofa forward.
Isn't this 6.1 not 7.1? I am considering just going to one AV amp for everything and may sell my stereo amp, I was using my stereo amp for all my music and using the pre-outs from my Yamaha front left + right. It's a lot of faffing about at the mo and I want to use one amp for everything including the 2 extra front atmos speakers,
The thing that bothers me is if the new amp will allow me to select 1 rear instead of 2 in the setup as I do like the rear effects. Could I just select 2 rear during the setup but only actually use 1.
I think you are right, I need 9 channels of amplification in total in the AV amp, so does that mean I need the x4800H.
Thanks in advance.
 

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