New build newbie cabling, sky etc!

onefivenine

Well-known Member
Sorry this must get asked time and time again...

Our new townhouse is being built soon and will come with Sky+ outlets in two rooms. I have the chance to get in during the build and request/install extras.

It is three storeys high. Sky+ outlets and telephone sockets will be supplied as standard in the 1st floor living room, and also in the 2nd floor master bedroom.

I want to be able to stream HDTV, and network it throughout all three floors, to 6 rooms altogether - 2 on each floor.

The founds are in, the build will start in October - and I need a wiring recipe!

I'm thinking as a start:-
1) Extra telephone connection in the loft - for ADSL modem.
2) Patch panel in loft - from it CAT6? cabling to 1 socket in each room.

Does that sound like enough??? :lease:
 

peevo

Active Member
I would install 2 cat6 outlets per room and 4 cat6 outlets in the livingroom Bathroom? (Those t.v's are not that dear :rolleyes:) If installing all cabling in attic i would also look at getting a 19" rack mount cabinet to house the panel and tv distribution equipment. :)
 

onefivenine

Well-known Member
Thanks peevo.

This is quite a can of worms I've opened, just reading the threads in this forum! :eek::D

I take it the dual cat6 would be needed for HDMI over CAT6 via an unbal or something similar?

A less complex solution will probably be enough for me as only the living room will be the main entertainment area. Not going to go as far as the bathroom ;)

I'd be happy with a wired LAN that would enable me to use PCs in other rooms to access media files stored on a central media server.
 

neilball

Well-known Member
1 socket in each room is unlikely to be enough unless you are gambling on streaming over ethernet in which case you could expand within the room with local switches/hubs. Will the Cat6 also be used for phones etc? If so then you will need more! It could be worth putting in a couple of points into most rooms even it half of it is left unterminated for now. It would be a pain in a year or two to find that you actually needed a few more outlets but did not drop the cables in!

Are there TV points in other rooms? Will you have a distribution amplifier in the loft? How many coax cables are in the location where you want to have your Sky box? It will need 4 coax cables if you want to have TV, Sky+/HD and a return cable to the loft for simple Sky distribution using magic eyes.

With regard to TVs, are any of them going to be wall mounted? If so make sure you have cables (incliding power) in place at the height you want them.
 

onefivenine

Well-known Member
Hi Neil,

That's a lot to think about!

I'm not planning to use phones over cat6 - builders will provide phone sockets in living room and main bedroom.

Would it be better to get an extra phone connection in the loft or in the downstairs office(spare bedroom) for connecting to an ADSL modem/gateway. The Linksys I've got currently crashes all the time and need a power on reset, that would be a pain in the neck if it was in the loft.

Think I will drop two cat6 cables to each room though like you suggest though - just in case.

The standard build includes Sky+ in the living room and bedroom. The only other place I might want TV is the kitchen, and probably not Sky+.

I suppose I need to draw out exactly what I want in each room and figure it from there.
 

peevo

Active Member
I would tell the builders not to bother with the phone points and distribute the phones over the cat6 infrastructure, it might be an idea to look at fitting a lexcom cabling system, delta 8 is a good cheap option supports sky+ virgin hd but not sky hd as yet, this system supplies tv/phone and internet on one cat 6 cable.
 

onefivenine

Well-known Member
I'll have a look at delta 8 - sounds good. I wonder how flexible barratt are at these builds, as they'll already be dual-cabling two rooms for sky+ and putting phones in two rooms as well. Can only ask I suppose. Then again, do I ask barratt to carry out the work as an extra or get someone in to do it.
 

vex

Well-known Member
Be carefull! the delta8 solution does not let you pass any IR signals, so you will not be able to control equipment hidden or located in a different room. Oh and the cable can be a pain in the arse to work with, I certainly woul dnot give it to builders who don't know what they are doing with it, it is no where near as robust as CAT5e, Coax or Power.
 

SeanT

Distinguished Member
Bear in mind that standard 4 pair network cable (eg. cat 5, 6, etc.) has a spare pair to run a telephone signal over looking at one of the posts above.
If you are hardwiring for ADSL then you want all your telephone extensions running from wherever the router is going of course, to save backwiring, and then want to be fitting a service specific BT ADSL faceplate (or an aftermarket one, forget the site) for the best possible connection - oh and use sockets with capacitors in so the ringer wire is absent from the entire installation :)
 

neilball

Well-known Member
Hi Neil,

That's a lot to think about!

I'm not planning to use phones over cat6 - builders will provide phone sockets in living room and main bedroom.

Would it be better to get an extra phone connection in the loft or in the downstairs office(spare bedroom) for connecting to an ADSL modem/gateway. The Linksys I've got currently crashes all the time and need a power on reset, that would be a pain in the neck if it was in the loft.

Think I will drop two cat6 cables to each room though like you suggest though - just in case.

The standard build includes Sky+ in the living room and bedroom. The only other place I might want TV is the kitchen, and probably not Sky+.

I suppose I need to draw out exactly what I want in each room and figure it from there.

I would keep the router somewhere accessible.

I would also double check exactly what cables are installed by the builder for TV/Sky distribution. I've not come across any volume housebuilders that would put in cabling for 2 independent (multiroom) Sky+ installations unless they used a specialist cabling infrastructure company to do a structured cabling package.

Your plan to draw up your requirements room by room is going to let you check the existing planned cabling package to see where the deficiencies are. If the builder is willing to let you apoint your own electrician to run in the additional cables then I can recomend an electrician I use who has carried out lots of quality cabling installs in Edinburgh. Drop me a PM if you want his contact details.
 

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