New Alfa Romeo Giulia - anybody else excited?

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  1. thudspud

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    Hi

    Been keeping an eye on this one, always liked the 159 (and the Brera) but this looks stunning, can't wait to see what engine options there are with 4WD.

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    I need to look at more photos of it.
    The angle above, I'm not so keen.
    It looks the front of a Jag, with the side profile of a 3-series.
     
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    Yes, but i bet it's going to be expensive......very expensive.
     
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    I love my 159 and was looking forward to this announcement.

    But until the standard road model and pricing is announced I'll keep a lid on it.

    The V6 model is going to be £60K being aimed at BMW M3 owners so I won't be getting one that's for sure.
     
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    Yup, a cross between a Jag XF and a 3-series.
    Very disappointing, and I'm an Alfa fan.
     
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    Yup. I like it a lot, even though there's no chance at all that I'll get the high-end model. A diesel automatic with around 200hp would be fine for me. It will be between this and an XE for my next car, probably towards the end of next year (depends exactly when the Giulia comes out).

    I had a 147 for a short while back in the early 2000s. It was a lovely car and I didn't have a single reliability or build issue with it at all, unlike most of the cars I've had since then.

    A walkaround of a Giulia, in Italian:

     
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    Not very exciting for an Alfa in the looks department.

    Be interested to see the more down to earth models and their pricing. I'd be looking for a V6 but lower down the scale.
     
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    Video not helping, looks even more like a 3-series....:(
    Alfa should be different, dammit.:mad:
     
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    That's the 500bhp V6 version, this article suggests that the normal version will look even less dramatic.
     
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    It looks like an Infiniti with an Alfa grill now I look at it a bit more.

    That's not a compliment.
     
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    Sorry guys I'm out
     
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    Are those Fabric seats ? In an Alfa ?
     
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    Look like Alcantara centres.
    My Alfa 156 had cloth seats (Recaros).
    As an Alfa fan I don't see leather as a pre-requisite, myself.
     
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    I really like the blend of clean sharp lines with some beautiful curves on this new Alfa. Its a tough job to follow up on the 159 saloon which was a georgeous looking motor, and that front 'scowling/frowning face' was always going to be hard to better.

    Looking back to other cars that were also from around that time around 9 years ago eg, Audi A4 (yawn) BMW 3 series (so boring that words escape me) the Alfa 159 on the otherhand is still a lovely looking car and has stood the test of time better than any other standard car that I can think of. Any time I see one on the road I always pass it a lingering glance.

    I think this new Alfa has that potential as well, to retain its uniqueness and stand the test of time like the 159 has. I certainly see plenty of stand out design cue's on this car and I'm sure they'll be even more obvious once we actually see them on the road.

    Then there is the actual driving aspect, which will be interesting to find out about. I went from the BMW E46 to the Alfa 159 and despite being front wheel driven and diesel, I still preferred the Alfa to the rear wheel drive petrol beemer...the 159 was just a lot more surefooted and perfectly balanced compared to the BMW.

    I haven't driven the more recent BMW's but my desire to own one just isn't that great (6 series yes, but not a 3 series;) )....this new Alfa on the otherhand, I find much more desireable IMV.
     
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    Your possibly the only person in the world that thinks the 159 drives better than the bmw!
    I really wanted the 159 and ended up driving just about every engine that they made but apart from the looks the 159 was about 10 years behind my bmw. The diesel engines were so noisy and the petrol engines gutless. I really wanted one, as you say the 159 still looks good today particularly in Ti spec.

    As for the new alfa. I want one! I'm praying the drive, engine, etc is even vaguely in the right ball park this time.

    Lease deal for me probably.
     
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    I've not driven any of the recent BMW's but certainly up against the E46, I found the Alfa better. Better means different things to different people though. The thing about the E46 was that on anything but dry conditions, I never had full confidence to power out of a bend at full throttle - too many times the back would slide out and thats with traction control engaged. I preferred the Alfa simply because I felt in better control of the car and feedback through the wheel/seat bred a more confident drive for me :)
    My current car is back wheel drive but the rear behaves itself with traction control engaged and will only step out with it disabled - thats the way it should be IMV.
     
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    You can probably add me to that list!

    I couldn't argue against the superiority of the BMW powerplants versus the standard Alfa 159 units (although my remapped 2.4L 5-pot would now give most things a run for their money.......), but I do genuinely prefer the handling of the Alfa compared to the E90s that I have have driven. The Beemer may feel light and nimble in comparison but the 159 feels much more solid overall. I personally prefer a bit of weight to the steering, it provides a better feel as to what's going on with the front wheels.

    I also agree (although I'm obviously biased) that the 159 is still a bit of a head turner, it still looks fairly unique compared to other cars in the same class - the main attraction for me when buying one was that it didn't look like the typical Audi / BMW offerings at the time, yet was considerably cheaper to buy and came with much more equipment as standard.

    I have also been fortunate with the reliability of the 159 - only 1 breakdown in 6 years of ownership and still going strong after 105k miles.

    I'm not yet sold on the Gulia - the styling looks a bit hit and miss to me, will it be considered a viable alternative to the Audi / BMW? It would be interesting to see a 'non-pimped', more basic version of the Gulia as those will be ones that make up the bulk of their sales.
     
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    love it / want one!

    the steering wheel looks a little … weird but i can handle that, i currently drive a Giulietta and absolutely love it!
     
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    Even as an Alfa fan, there's no way a 159 handles better than an E90 BMW.
    I drove the 159 in Ti form plenty of times before plumping for an E90 and going on to own 2 x E90s over a 5 year period.
    But fact is people do feel 'safer' in a FWD car.
    They like the fact any cack handed driving on their part will only ever result in easy to control understeer.
    If you like sporty driving though, understeer is something you strive to avoid.
    I've no problems with or fear of oversteer, so the BMW (TC off most of the time) suited me fine.
     
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    Well I certainly feel 'safer' knowing that I'm across a span of water and highly unlikely do meet up with you on the roads.

    Oh, and oversteer is also something you should try and avoid also ;)

    Taking a bend at even a lowly 45mph'ish with TC engaged and having the back step out with wife and children on board isn't a good trait for a car to have, despite how 'sporty' a feeling that gives you.

    That driving behaviour doesn't belong on the roads IMO, it belongs on a race track (which I love by the way)

    And no need to confuse wanting a confident drive with lack of driving ability. I can old my own against well skilled amatuer racers in terms of lap times and occasionally beat my mate who has won numerous formula ford races/hill climbs etc....I don't claim to be a great driver but I know I've got decent reactions and can pick the correct lines.

    Take away the gravel traps and its a different story when I'm on the roads though. I value my life and the lives of others and despite having confidence in my driving skills, overconfidence is not a trap I want to go into either. 1 mistake on a track is embarrassing, 1 mistake on the road can be fatal.
     
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    With TC fully 'on' in an E90, the back end isn't going anywhere.
    Even on the middle setting, which allows some rear end movement, the TC kicks in if the tail goes too far.
    I've no idea why an E46 is being compared with a 159, as they were from different ages.
    The 159 was 2005-2011
    The E46 was 1998-2004, so was already out of date when the 159 came along.
    An E90 isn't a tail-happy car with driver aids on, and not particularly tail-happy even with them switched off (needs to be provoked to kick the tail out, happier to just spin the inside wheel).
    But an E90 is definitely a better handler than a 159, which is typical FWD 'safe but dull'.
     
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    I saw some Goodwood photos of the Giulia.
    I'm just stunned at how much it looks like a 3-series.
    It's like Alfa have bought a load of bodyshells off BMW, like Seat did with the Exeo/Audi A4.
     
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    How did this thread get so far down the list? Anyway, here's a fairly recent video of a blue Giulia making a nice noise:

    Alfa Romeo Giulia QV V6 510HP Sound
     
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    Nice car!

    Those old sayings about electrics on Italian cars..... Is it me or are the brake lights not working at 0:08 on the video clip?
    The high level one flickers but the main brake lights never illuminate.

    Great noise, nice motor...
     
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    Myth.
    The electrics are made by Bosch.
    I should stop myself looking at this thread, because it just pains me so much that Alfa have made a 3-series doppelganger....:(:(:(:(
     
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    There's something odd about the brake lights - you can see the high level one going on and off but nothing from the sides. Perhaps the bulbs are in tunnels?
    Sounds lovely though :thumbsup:
     

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