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New 32" TV Choice - Getting Nowhere - Help! - Long

Discussion in 'Televisions' started by Struan, Jun 26, 2004.

  1. Struan

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    I have been looking for over two months for a replacement for my 'recently'
    expired 25" Sony, and I hardly seem to be any nearer making a choice than
    when I started. Although I decided to wait until some imminent new models
    came out (JVC, Panasonic etc.) this is mainly due to the fact that I have
    seen very little which is even acceptable, let alone impressive; Not to
    mention the difficulty in making an informed choice (poor layout of sets in
    stores, invariably poor reception, variable availability of remotes etc.).

    I have definitely ruled out 100 Hz (can't stand the motion blurring
    problems) so I am looking for either 50Hz analogue or 50 Hz IDTV (32"). In
    an ideal world, I would like a TV with genuinely good picture quality
    (clean/accurate/natural, free from problems and 'known issues' e.g. duff
    geometry, differences between broadcast and external source PQ caused by the
    TV, red horizontal lines etc) more than two Scart sockets, black case, and
    decent (natural/accurate) on-board sound. Doesn't seem too much to ask, but,
    unfortunately, I have yet to find anything that comes close. As most TVs are
    still silver, I am willing (not much choice!) to compromise on the black
    case if I have to; Similarly, while it would be handy to have three or more
    Scarts, I am not willing to pay the premium for higher end sets which
    rarely, if ever, seem to have better picture qualify than entry levels sets,
    just to get extra Scarts (in fact, they frequently seem to have poorer PQ!).
    An absolute minimum of two Scarts plus front/side AV inputs (preferably
    s-video) is required (NB: I know that the new JVC AV32T4B has three Scarts
    and a black case, but I have yet to see one to check PQ & sound). I would
    also prefer sets which instantly/invisibly select the correct aspect when
    switching channels - I saw one TV (can't remember which make/model) that,
    when set permanently to 4:3 on analogue, seemed to go momentarily to WS,
    then quickly, but noticeably, back to 4:3 when channel hopping - very
    annoying/distracting!

    As for IDTV, in addition to the above, I would like a set which is
    smooth/quick in operation (the few I have seen seem to be very slow/'clunky'
    when e.g. channel switching etc.), and have good analogue (as well as
    digital!) picture quality. Also, are all DTT broadcasts WS, as at least one
    IDTV I looked at did not allow selection of 4:3 with what was an actual 4:3
    broadcast (i.e. not Letterbox) on analogue?

    I am currently thinking that I should spend as little as I possibly can to
    get something acceptable, given that there doesn't seem to be anything even
    close to ideal. I recently saw the Philips 32PW6006 and it seemed to have
    the best (or should that be least bad) PQ of any set I have looked at,
    though this may have been to do with the fact that the reception was
    noticeably better than average (in Safeway of all places!). As this model is
    old, and therefore quite cheap, I was seriously thinking about getting it
    until I saw a thread on an AV forum listing numerous, ongoing,
    problems/faults with Philips TVs - does anyone have any experience with this
    model, or Philips in general - are they any worse than average?

    Additional things that would be nice, is the ability to assign AV inputs to
    normal channel numbers so you have direct, single button, access to any AV
    input, as well as the TV staying on the selected AV input until another
    channel is manually selected (the 21" Hitachi I am temporarily using cannot
    do this, so I have had to tune in the RF outputs from my VCRs so that I can
    view the on-screen graphics while e.g. index searching as it reverts to the
    last selected channel number when the pin 8 signal stops) I also intend to
    watch programmes in their true aspect, so it would be nice to have minimal
    'edge problems' when displaying e.g. analogue as 4:3. Good reliability would
    also be nice.


    So,

    32" 50Hz analogue

    or

    32" 50 Hz IDTV

    Any recommendations of TVs you have seen, or even better, own, which would
    fit the bill?

    Help!!!!

    TIA
     
  2. fatbob

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    The new Sony KD32DX51 might be worth checking out. It offers some of the features you require, such as the (mainly) black frame, digital tuner, two scarts (sadly not three), front inputs including s-video, and 50hz refresh rate. Also, if the set is anything like my five year old Sony, you might be able to assign the a/v inputs to channel numbers, meaning that you can select scart 1, scart 2 etc with a single button press rather than wading through unused inputs. I say "might be able to" because modern tv's have become an exercise in cost cutting, so features like this may not be on current sets.

    I don't know what the auto aspect ratio switching will be like, as this seems to vary from model to model, with some sets doing quite a good job while others (like mine) have this feature permanently set to "off" because it's more of a hinderance than a benefit.

    This tv is a new model, and I couldn't find it on Sony's web site, but I was able to find it on this link which gives you an idea of how it looks and what it offers.

    About 85% of broadcasts on the main channels (BBC1, BBC2, CH.4, CH.5 AND ITV) are broadcast in 16:9 widescreen, but many of the others channels that form the Freeview package broadcast mainly in 4:3. I've always prefered to use a seperate digibox because I find them more flexible with regard to setup and recording programmes.

    Hope this helps.

    Bob.
     
  3. mr ooops

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    we sell the philips pw6006 32" and 28" in the coop supermarket i run, in 2 years i have had 2 sets back, one was an "unwanted present" and 1 was faulty, this was a speaker fault.

    i have one running (32" one) at work witha budget dvd player and it out performs my more expensive jvc tv ( more expensive by 2.5 times the amount)

    cheers
    jason
     
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    I agree with fatbob that the new Sony kd32dx51 is worth a look - its also on my shortlist.

    To have 2 rather than 1 RGB scart I can recommend this which I have connected to my Sony kd32fx20.

    The master scart controller is totally automatic in operation and uses high quality components in the signal path. Worth £49 believe me. :thumbsup:

    Regards

    Pedro
     
  5. philangst

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    I had also seen the KD32DX51
    here and wondered if it was any good? Does it replace the KD32DX50?
     
  6. Struan

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    Thanks for all the replies.

    @fatbob
    Yes, the DX51 is in the current Sony catalogue – haven't seem one in store yet, but it looks pretty ugly to me in the catalogue - the black does at least frame the picture though. Obviously PQ etc. is much more important, so I'll check it out – do you know if it has the same menus etc. as the DX200 – I saw one of these last week, and I didn't particularly like to OS – e.g. the aspect switching stretches or contracts rather than just switching – strange effect I thought. And like all other IDTVs I have looked at, the menus, channel switching etc, still seems slow/clunky. I did like my (10 year old) Sony, so I am definitely interested – may end up having to forget about IDTV though in general, and think about an STB, which leads me onto…

    Does anyone know if STBs are quicker/smoother in operation than IDTVs? Panasonic STBs seem to be frequently quoted as being the fastest around, but their IDTVS still seem slow to me – As STBs never seem to be in switched on/connected in my local stores, I haven't actually seen one in operation, it would good to know if they are just a slow/clunky as IDTVs?

    @fragmaster
    Thanks for the info. re. the 32PW6006 – most encouraging. Do you know if the AV inputs can be assigned to channel numbers, or, alternatively, does it stay on a selected AV input until you manually select another channel, or activate pin 8 switching?

    @Pedro
    Yes, I think I may have to go for a Scart switch – thanks for the link.
     

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