Exactly and it's even likely we'll see higher peak bit rates than now.So sounds like the bitrates are not fixed per title but will change depending on scene. Not worried providing the quality is not effected.
II's VBR - Variable bit rate. All broadasters do this. eg Freeview statmux,, share the available bandwidth on a mux according according to content with all the channels in the mux.
Indeed. But why the article couldn't just state this, instead of trying to downplay what Netflix are doing, in attempt to cause descent, I don't know. Flatpanels are rapidly losing credibility for me.II's VBR - Variable bit rate. All broadasters do this.
Indeed. But why the article couldn't just state this, instead of trying to downplay what Netflix are doing, in attempt to cause descent, I don't know. Flatpanels are rapidly losing credibility for me.
They even quote the bitrates Apple use in the article but, they too use VBR, as do Disney+. Although, granted these two still use way more bandwidth than Netflix will. I saw 47Mb/s when watching a Disney+ DV/ DA movie recently.
Paul
Yes, you've mentioned that but, it doesn't change the fact that's what I saw.I find it hard to believe that you saw 47 Mbps on D+. Indicative peak bit rate is reportedly capped at 28-29 Mbps.
Yes, you've mentioned that but, it doesn't change the fact that's what I saw.
Out of interest, where are you seeing these figures published?
Paul
These are all well and good but, where's the proof that these are factual figures?Credits: samlop10 and pghflyer at Blu-ray forums:
I would agree with Disney+ as I have never seen 28+ Mbps on FireTV Dev Tools HUD. Please let me know which film was guzzling 48 Mbps. I am eager to find it out.
Also heard that Apple are limiting peak bit rates to 15 Mbps on non-ATV boxes and the apps on TVs. Not sure if this true. I will check this on FireTV again most likely tonight.
Order Best to Worst (Bitrate of Video File Primary, Bitrate of Audio File Secondary) & Info on General Platform Support
#1 Apple TV (iTunes Movies) - HDR10, Dolby Vision, & Dolby Atmos
Video: Average: 25 Mbps; Peak: 31 Mbps
Audio: 770 Kbps
Find and watch movies with 4K, HDR, Dolby Vision, or Dolby Atmos
Apple TV Plus - HDR10, Dolby Vision, & Dolby Atmos
Video: Average: 41 Mbps; Peak: Unknown
Audio: Unknown
Apple TV+
#2 MoviesAnywhere - HDR10, Dolby Vision, & Dolby Atmos
Video: Average: 25 Mbps; Peak: 32 Mbps
Audio: 640 Kbps
https://help.moviesanywhere.com/hc/e...rt-4K-and-HDR-
#3 Disney Plus - HDR10, Dolby Vision, & Dolby Atmos
Video: Average: 17 Mbps; Peak: 29 Mbps
Audio: 770 Kbps
https://help.disneyplus.com/csp?id=c...0cf158bf961913
#4 Netflix - HDR10, Dolby Vision, & Dolby Atmos
Video: Average: 17 Mbps; Peak: 25 Mbps
Audio: 770 Kbps
How to stream Netflix in Ultra HD
-----------------------Lower Tier Video/ Audio--------------------------------------------
#5 Vudu - HDR10, Dolby Vision, & Dolby Atmos
Video: Average: 14 Mbps; Peak: 17 Mbps
Audio: 580 Kbps
VUDU UHD - 4K, Dolby Vision, Dolby Atmos
#6 Amazon Prime - HDR10, HDR10+, Dolby Vision, & Dolby Atmos
Video: Average: 10 Mbps; Peak: 13 Mbps
Audio: 190 Kbps
https://www.amazon.com/b?ie=UTF8&node=11598814011
#7 FandangoNow - IMAX Enhanced, HDR10, NO Dolby Vision, NO Dolby Atmos
Video: 10-20Mb/s (anecdotal)
Audio: Unknown
FandangoNOW
IMAX Enhanced: Unleash the power of IMAX at home
#8 Google Play - HDR10, NO Dolby Vision, NO Dolby Atmos
Video: 12-15Mb/s (anecdotal)
Audio: Unknown
https://support.google.com/googlepla.../7184994?hl=en
#9 HBONow - *NONE*
Video (HD): 4-7Mb/s (anecdotal)
Audio: Unknown
HBO NOW
Anecdotal Bitrate Sources:
https://www.macrumors.com/2019/11/04...aming-quality/
Vudu - Wikipedia
https://www.reddit.com/r/hometheater...where_bitrate/
https://www.reddit.com/r/DisneyPlus/...d_comparisons/
These are all well and good but, where's the proof that these are factual figures?
Paul
Yes, I'm aware of how to extract the information using Xcode. However, where's a link to the source of the information you posted? Not sure why you're being so obtuse about sharing it?! You're the one who's throwing doubt over what I've now shown to be reality, after all.Most of these measured on ATV box with Xcode.
Same as seen here ==>
Yes, I'm aware of how to extract the information using Xcode. However, where's a link to the source of the information you posted? Not sure why you're being so obtuse about sharing it?! You're the one who's throwing doubt over what I've now shown to be reality, after all.
Coincidentally, I have The Last Knight on iTunes, so can check that too.
Paul
That's what I posted. Those figures are the traffic passing through the network switch, not the router. That capture was taken whilst the movie was playing and clearly shows the data rate through the switch, from the Apple TV, at 44Mb/s. That's actual data rate. No ifs, ands or buts.I was expecting a screenshot showing the numbers and not what you see on your router. I can post screenshot from FireTV showing the true live bit rates while playback. Would appreciate if you can post a screenshot that shows such high bit rates on D+.
That's what I posted. Those figures are the traffic passing through the network switch, not the router. That capture was taken whilst the movie was playing and clearly shows the data rate through the switch, from the Apple TV, at 44Mb/s. That's actual data rate. No ifs, ands or buts.
Paul
I've given you enough information in my posts. I'm not spoon feeding you, to facilitate your want to disprove what I've adequately proven to you. That aside, in order to fairly compare, I'd suggest you'd need to replicate my configuration and use Xcode to show the 'Indicated' data rates for the same movie. That would be using an ATV 4K hard wired to your network. If I can get my wife's MBA to play ball, I'll do the same.Thanks. Movie name and timecodes please. I will check with FireTV stick.
I've given you enough information in my posts. I'm not spoon feeding you, to facilitate your want to disprove what I've adequately proven to you. That aside, in order to fairly compare, I'd suggest you'd need to replicate my configuration and use Xcode to show the 'Indicated' data rates for the same movie. That would be using an ATV 4K hard wired to your network. If I can get my wife's MBA to play ball, I'll do the same.
Paul
No worries.Sorry. I completed missed post #11 and I wasn't trying to discredit you on D+ peak bit rate. It was based on my personal observation via FireTV stick wherein I have never seen it exceed 29 Mbps. Hocus Pocus has been released recently. Let me check in FireTV and report. More the merrier for me.
That's what I posted. Those figures are the traffic passing through the network switch, not the router. That capture was taken whilst the movie was playing and clearly shows the data rate through the switch, from the Apple TV, at 44Mb/s. That's actual data rate. No ifs, ands or buts.
Paul
Throwing a spanner in the works here, BUT....as you say that shows the data passing through the switch as the movie was playing. I know you said no ifs or buts.... BUT (sorry) what IF (sorry again!) there was more traffic also originating from the ATV at the same time the movie was playing? Software updates, icloud sync etc.. ?
No need to apologies, it's a good challenge.Throwing a spanner in the works here, BUT....as you say that shows the data passing through the switch as the movie was playing. I know you said no ifs or buts.... BUT (sorry) what IF (sorry again!) there was more traffic also originating from the ATV at the same time the movie was playing? Software updates, icloud sync etc.. ?