domtheone
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Zzzzz
Put your crystal balls away for a few years.
Put your crystal balls away for a few years.
...and if the rumours are correct about a virtual resumption of the talks next week, sitting on the sidelines asking 'please let us play again'. Embarrassing and entirely predictable.The UK has grabbed the ball and screamed "I'm not playing anymore."
The EU response is "OK, we've got out own ball; we'll carry on playing, see you around."
We now sit mardily on the touchline calling them names for not letting us win 10-0.
No surprise. In or out. We have huge issues.
I suspect many who voted to leave won't care about this at all.
I've long since accepted that, for these people at least, no price is too high for perceived "freedom," even when, in practice, this means our rights, standards and freedoms are diminished. Johnson and Cummings' government will get its way in this regard, and we'll all be poorer for it.
They won. We lost. That's all that matters. I recall visiting the pub the weekend after the referendum, where I heard jubilant chants of "we beat the EU," as though it was a football match.
So it doesn't matter what happens to our economy, our human rights, our jobs, or anything else. It doesn't matter if Kent becomes one giant, county-wide lorry park. True believers will cling to Brexit no matter what the evidence. They will not be moved.
The EU will win in the end, it has a market we simply cannot ignore. Distance matters in trade, which will become apparent if it is No Deal.
True believers will never change their minds, but those who voted for Brexit and expected an Economic boost will be very angry indeed when they see jobs being lost, food prices going up and so on. In the worst case scenario of No Deal, we might end up needing a bailout from the IMF. See what happened to Greece when the IMF rolled in. It's a recipe for the destruction of the Economy and of the Conservative Party itself if it doesn't get a deal with the EU.
The EU has maintained it's AAA status across the board. Doesn't look like that will change anytime soon.
They won't, mostly because we've done ok with the Bond Markets since losing our AAA status, it's barely impacted day to day living. The outlook stable is projected for the next 12-18 months.
The hardcore Brexiteers (ERG types) won't accept anything less than WTO rules.
The EU will win in the end, it has a market we simply cannot ignore. Distance matters in trade, which will become apparent if it is No Deal.
True believers will never change their minds, but those who voted for Brexit and expected an Economic boost will be very angry indeed when they see jobs being lost, food prices going up and so on. In the worst case scenario of No Deal, we might end up needing a bailout from the IMF. See what happened to Greece when the IMF rolled in. It's a recipe for the destruction of the Economy and of the Conservative Party itself if it doesn't get a deal with the EU.
Serious question but what’s not working?The UK has been on a slippery slope for a while. That’s being part of the EU.
Time to try something different as the current status ain't working.
Hence we voted out.
Time to try something different.
Why can you not accept that.
Zzzzz
Put your crystal balls away for a few years.
The UK has been on a slippery slope for a while. That’s being part of the EU.
Time to try something different as the current status ain't working.
Hence we voted out.
Time to try something different.
Why can you not accept that.
The UK has been on a slippery slope for a while. That’s being part of the EU.
Don't know why little Japan, South Korea and Singapore don't realise their ruined unless they join the big China.
Maybe Australia should join China too and Canada join US.
Yep, £1 million was what I heard on QI the other day but obviously wrong
Well I still have confidence in this nation and wont be swayed by negativity. As always, time will tell.I guess you've forgotten who controls the world's oceans, has the one of the strongest militaries around and enough nuclear weapons to destroy the world several times over. I am of course speaking of the Untied States of America who are allied with all those countries and has varying trade deals with them. Oh and the last thing the world needs is for Kim Jong Un to restart the Korean war, he'd almost certainly be removed by China if they haven't told him he can start lobbing bombs at South Korea. What China likely fears above all else is a reunified Korea under a US sphere of influence.
As for Canada, other than probably selling Alaska to the US too cheaply, they have a perfectly functional Economy (it's in better shape than ours) and various deals for trade with the US in place. They've even got a trade deal with the EU that took the best part of a decade to negotiate and ratify. The US wants a trade deal with the EU eventually, the single market is too profitable to ignore.
The only real question for Canada is if they are going to become a Republic and ditch the British Monarch as it's head of state.
I thought it was Russia that sold Alaska to the USA for £1 million
Well I still have confidence in this nation and wont be swayed by negativity. As always, time will tell.
Realism is what's required here, not positivity or negativity. We are in for a long hard slog, as most of the history of these Isles has been.
You can live a life of negativity about something that's been decided or learn to accept the situation you find yourself in and make the most of it.
Time to move on.
EU wants access to UK fishing waters is the only card I can seeWell Gove embarrassed himself on Marr this morning.
Also Marr did make a mistake saying Afghan terms. Afghanistan get tariff free access to the EU under the EBA.
So the government are actually pushing for something that makes us worse off than Afghanistan and Mongolia in trading terms. And repeatedly telling everyone too.
An interesting tactic. Not sure what cards Gove thinks we hold, but looks like we've started playing beggar-my-neighbour instead.
EU wants access to UK fishing waters is the only card I can see
You're of course forgetting innovative jams and marmelades
Well af least they can look forward to Haggis & shortbread if Scotland rejoins EU.
Do not wish to cross your debate, but we do have more than enough disgusting food ok if its what you want to eat...choices here, not just Scotland but for all...Well af least they can look forward to Haggis & shortbread if Scotland rejoins EU.