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Discussion in 'Home Cinema Speakers' started by fred123go, Nov 14, 2003.

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  1. Stick with the Mordaunt Short package

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  2. Change to the M&K package

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  1. fred123go

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    Hey there,
    I am upgrading from my Pioneer 2011 to a seperates sytem consisting of a Rotel 1075 power amp, a Lexicon DC-2 processor and i already have a complete 6.1 Mordaunt Short 500 THX speaker package.
    I want you guys to tell me if upgrading to a front 3 of 750 THX select m and k speakers and a pair of Tripole S-55 m and k surrounds would be a better option?
    cheers
    Fred
     
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    It is mainly the rears that i don't like at the moment, i prefer the direct but diffused sound as well, if that makes sense, i would like to upgrade to m and k k4's to use as all 4 surround speakers. Anyone disagree with using them with the front three mordaunt short speakers?
    Cheers
    Fred
     
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    Ideally you want to stick to the same brand of speaker for your rears as your fronts, this helps build a more realistic and properly voiced sound.
     
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    You just don't know where to stop do you :laugh:

    If you've got a small-ish room, get the M&K's, they'll sound considerably better.

    If you've got a larger room, stick with the MS System.
     
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    ps .you must be loaded. and at 16!

    stick with the same brand.
     
  6. fred123go

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    haha Dimmy i know man, but then i am spending all this money on this wikid processor and equally good power amp i do want my speakers to be up to scratch. I am really unsure what to do with my speakers. I really don't like the sound that is coming from my 506 rears, it kind of projects sounds away from the seating area which is really annoying.
    I am mainly concerned with the rears, so if i should really keep all the speakers the same design then i will probably go for one of the B and W speaker package
    darren7-not rich just hard working and a bit of a wheeler dealer on ebay!
    Cheers
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    Fred - I've had Similar woes with Mordaunt Short rears, which never sounded very 'Pin Point' and were tonally out of place with the rest of my setup.

    The Pre/Power amp combo you're buying is the same as I heard at Matt's (Smurfin) when I picked up my speakers from him a few months ago (DC-1 and RMB1075 if I remember correctly), and has a hell of a lot to deliver to any speaker package. With this in mind I'd definitely suggest you give them a chance with your current mordaunt shorts - it's surprizing how much a descent pre/power amp combo can really make rear speakers 'Sing'.

    Your suggestion for the B&W package sounds like a good one, as I assume you're talking about the DM600 series. However - like your Mordaunt Shorts - they'll need plenty of space to 'Breathe', and I think swapping them with your Mordaunt Shorts would just trade-off one problem for another. The DM600 series doesn't include any 'specialist' surround speakers and won't 'Diffuse' rear channel effects very well on movie soundtracks.

    Were it my money, I'd be leaning in the M&K Direction. They make some of the best surround speakers around, and will probably provide you with that feeling of soundstage 'depth' you're after. The nature of a sub/sat system will probably also sound more rewarding in a bedroom sized room, and will probably do a better job of providing an even frequency response, I'd imagine your current Mordaunt Short floorstanding fronts will overwhelm with their bass (So says me, the guy with HUGE 775e speakers in his bedroom :D).

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    Hi again,

    I just read in a thread in the classifieds forum that your listening room is 5ft x 3ft - which sounds impossible, but is it?

    If so then - damn, your equipment is going to waste!
     
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    just measured up my room, i am pants with calculations, it is something like 8 ft by 5ft, still pretty damn small
    Fred
     
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    Oh dear... I never thought I'd say this, but with a room that small (and were I you), I'd call it a day and stick with a sub £250 Home Cinema In A Box setup...

    Frankly the equipment you have now is gone to waste, a big waste!
     
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    8 x 5? You can barely get a bloody bed in a room that size. Are you SURE you have your room measurements correct?
     
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    :rotfl: - I probably can't even lay down in that room without feet & arms touching either side of the room :laugh:

    How the hell did you manage to fit huge floorstanders and centre speakers in it fred?

    And how big is your image from that projector! - You've got a throw distance of, well, about two metres!
     
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    you must mean meters i have the ms 908's similer to your fronts and they slightly overwelm my room which is 3 time that size.

    you must sit on your bed with the rears were your pillows are and the image were your feet are
     
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    No - he must mean feet, as if he were talking in metres that room would be truly huge...
     
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    Fred

    Hate to say this but i agree with the other guys. 8 x 5' is tiny for a HC set up. I honestly think you'll have major problems trying to get proper effects separation. There just isn't the room for it. You've got some pretty high end kit there as it is and I can't see how upgrading to a system like M&K with a bigger amp etc. etc. will give you the benefits you're looking for. Hi volumes are just gonna sound too loud. I would have thought it's just gonna bouce round your room like a ping pong ball.

    Room size and acoustics play a huge influence on the sound you will end up hearing. One guy bought an SVS sub and had the devils own job trying to make it work in his room. He had to sell in the end - but it wasn't the equipment's fault, just the acoustics of the room.

    You'd notice a huige difference if you could stick all your kit in the lounge (I'm assuming you're still living at home). Or at least try it there and see what difference it makes.

    I moved house recently and now (lucky me) have a room 23 x 13.5' and its carpeted instead of wooden floors. The sound is quite different and need a bigger amp. I'd have bitten your hand for the Pioneer if Xmas wasn't coming up.

    Why not ask some of the guys here to see about a demo before you part with your hard earned cash, or see if a shop or someone will bring an amp round to your house to see the difference.

    Best advice though: save up for a house ;)
    (or build an extension)


    Chris
     
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    Hey there Chris,
    Okay i must have got my measurements wrong or something, it is very similar, a bit longer and double the width of Smurfin's room so it has to be more than that.
    My Mordaunt Shorts were fine in my room, i am sure there is something in the design, i don't think i have any problems with wall reflection etc, i get no echoeing. At high volumes, ie reference level, it is an issue with the speakers and the amp,IMO i will be better off with the M and K's and the more powerful amp, well obviously otherwise i wouldn't be getting them, and yes i do realise it is serious cash and very hard earnt!
    I am going to go with the flow, and also we are moving house in April next year, YAY, so i will have a huge, well pretty damn big, dedicated home cinema room, oh the joy!
    cheers
    Fred
     
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    ok i think i have come to some final dimensions and proper ones, i have a 6ft wide screen that doesn't go from right to left, it has about a foot either side so i am guessing it is about 7-8ft wide and 12-13 ft long, lol, just realised how small the room i suggested would have been!
    Anyway i don't think it is the breathe theory, althought yes i agree a bigger room would be perfect, but as i said come April i will have everything sorted out and will post pics etc
    cheers
    Fred
     
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    That sounds a little more reasonable :).
     
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    Hey Dimmy,
    Just wondering what kit you operating with atm?
    cheers
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    Strangely enough, Matt's old 775e & 77c1 fronts, with 771e rears and an 1803 amp, with a 2800mkII DVD player.
     
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    nice pieces of kit there Dimmy, i am looking to upgrade my dvd player as my next major upgrade, that won't be for a fair few months though, my main priority after getting my new system is a sub, and a decent one.
    The denon 2900's look great, what is the actual difference between the 2800 mk11 and the 2900? as £500 is probably all i can afford at april and i would rather not waste money on gimmics i won't use
    cheers
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    There is the small matter of the 2800mkII not being available anymore...

    The 2900 has SACD and DVD-A replay and supports PAL Progressive scan out of the box, the 2800mkII is only a DVD-V player and only supports NTSC progressive out of the box. There are firmware updates for PAL progressive accessibility but they cause all sorts of problems.

    Fortunately I got the 2800mkII for £360, which really is a bargain and - IMHO - it wipes the floor with similarly priced players, especially with CD replay.

    Within your budget, you're probably best off not going for something so ambitious. I imagine - with your screen size - a Tosh 530 (soon to be released in the mainstream) should suffice (which will probably be available for under £200). And were I you I'd keep that Pioneer 656 for music duties.

    You're going to have a nightmare finding a suitable sub Fred, your room's too small to handle anything large and descent, so you're going to have to get something descent and compact - which usually costs money.

    B&W's ASW675 springs to mind, as does the Velodyne SPL series, but you're unlikely to get a 'descent' compact sub for under the £600 mark that's also capable of doing the rest of your THX setup justice.
     
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    hey there,
    www.leconcepts.com denon 2800 mk11 for £500, and the b and w sub is one of the subs i want to get but i was also looking at the missions. I didn't get any boom effect with the Mordaunt Short package, so i will be fine and we are moving in april so there is no point in looking to the short term.
    And my room is bigger than Smurfins and he has two of those beefy velo buggers...
    Fred
     
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    Have a look here : http://www.prcdirect.co.uk/PRC/PRC....22740d43a3b5806ee/Export/products/DVD2800MKII

    [edit]
    Or better still, have a look here : http://www.empiredirect.co.uk/productdetailsnew.asp?modelcode=DEN-DVD2800G&affiliateid=95

    You might not think you're getting 'boom' with your mordaunt short package, but I assume you're collecting the processor from Matt's (as I did with the speakers) - at which point you'll realise what I'm talking about when you hear his Servo's.

    'Quality' bass is something that's very difficult to achieve with a large subwoofer, it's even harder with smaller ones.

    You mension Mission subs, but the only Really descent sub they make is the m5as - which is even bigger than a Servo 15. And it's been discontinued anyway.
     
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    Not sure if this is true. Picked up a Mission brochure at the Manchester AV show which had the m5as in the catalogue plus its bigger brother the m6as which has been designed to go with the Volare range.

    But yes, they are both big subs. Look nice though.

    Fred: glad to hear you got your room size sorted. Maybe its worth waiting till April to finalise the speaker side of things. Having said that though i heard a set of M&Ks at Sevenoaks in Manchester and they sounded pretty impressive to me. It was reasonable sized demo room and theysounded very forward to me and really dynamic.

    As they are not full range speakers you will need a damn good sub to partner them. M&K subs are pretty good I believe but are pretty expensive - the one in Manchester was around £3k. But there was one advertised on the classifieds a month or so back. Dunno if it sold.

    Good luck with your buying. It's fun to be in that position. (Looks at empty wallet and sighs) :)

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    hey there Chris,
    After this no more spending! i am literally out of everything after this but atleast i have a set up/will have a set up to be proud of and to watch films and thoroughly enjoy it!
    The M5as's are not discontinued yet, they have only been released this year or something and they are available in quite a few places, www.superfi.co.uk, being one of them
    cheers
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    As with the Denon DVD players Fred, the M5AS has been discontinued and is being 'sold off' - this was confirmed to me by mission.
     
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    ok cheers Dimmy,
    I think something small like the MJ acoustics reference 100 subwoofer would be perfect for my room and reasonable at £350. And when we move into the bigger house then i will have the opportunity to buy another one.
    Fred
     

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