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Need some help making up my mind... Some questions about Sony NW-HD5...

Discussion in 'Headphones, Earphones & Portable Music' started by tera_logik, Oct 6, 2005.

  1. tera_logik

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    Hi,

    I'm from Portugal, and i am looking for a nice mp3 player...

    The NW-HD5 caught my eye, but i've been googling for the past hour or so and found that it has some issues...

    I still like it very much and believe it to be a good choice over the ipod, but i have some questions that would really help me decide if i had the answers to them...

    I'm worried about the copyright and DRM issues, and i'm still confused about it... Does it apply to mp3? Will i have any kind of problem if i download mp3 files from p2p programs? I have a whole bunch of old dvd's full of mp3's, what exactly does sonicstage do to the files? I know WMA must be converted to atrac, but are mp3's too? doesn't it support it natively? Does the mp3 file manager (supposed alternative to sonicstage, refered in another thread) work well with hd5?

    About the authorize function that i've read about, what is it for? It means i can only transfer music from the pc's i choose? And i need to have an internet connection for that?? what if i don't? sony can't assume that... Could someone explain this mess to me?

    Thank you very much...
    Greetings 2 all!
     
  2. carolo

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    Bear in mind that the HD-5 is now officially discontinued by Sony-prior to the launch of the new Sony mp3 player in time to catch the Christmas market................
     
  3. tera_logik

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    Yeah i know, but i don't what the price tag will be on the new players, and that doesn´t invalidate the fact that the hd5 is a good player (has it's flaws, but which one doesn't?)

    Besides, my birthday is coming up (13th), and with it some few extra $$, and i just don't know if i can hold until xmas... :rolleyes:

    Let's see how it goes...
     
  4. joora

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    well, i bought HD5 not long ago, i thought it was a better choice even after i saw the specs and looks of the a3000.

    I haven't regret it, it's a very fine looking player, especially in black, and due to it's small size i go with it almost everywhere. Not to mention that i use it as the car mp3 player via cassette adapter, and ofcourse as the mass storage device. It is a very good choice, and if you've searched for all te issues and still find them acceptable, then you won't miss.

    As for the DRM, it applies to sharing with other computers. You cannot transfer music from one computer to another, but you can transfer music to your player from every computer which has sonicstage installed. Also, you can transfer mp'3 from any source, so that ain't a problem. As for transferring mp3's, sonicstage doesn't convert them to atrac(if you don't want to), but it applies a wrapper to them so you cannot transfer them to another computer. Ofcourse, there is a workaround for that, and that is to transfer mp3's you want to share with the other computer to the mass storage part of the player(using explorer), but you won't be able to play those files on the player(if you don't have duplicates which you transfered via sonicstage).

    sorry about a bit confusing explanation, it's 3 am and english is not my primary language :)
     
  5. shadowritten

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    Actually, Joora, you CAN share ATRAC files from one PC to another (and from one device to another). Sasso and I have tested this. It all depends on ripping using SS 3.2 with copy protection switched off.
     
  6. joora

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    oops, my bad, haven't tested it with atrac files with drm switched off, just with mp3's. :thumbsup:
     
  7. shadowritten

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    No worries, dude! :smashin:
     
  8. Sasso

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    hi,

    Its issues arn't really a big problem but some are very annoying. Luckily none of them are what you've asked about.

    Basically, dont worry about DRM. Download SonicStage 3.2 from Sony UK website and it allows you to not apply a copy protection coating to ripped songs. SS is short for SonicStage btw.
    You can put mp3's from anywhere and transfer them to the HD5 (natively), that includes downloaded (pay or not), coppied from somewhere else, and ripping from CDs (whether your own or someone elses), it does not restrict where you get the mp3 from. Wma must be converted (in SS)

    So with your DVD's of Mp3s, just copy them to your computer (i suggest you do but you dont have to, you might need to edit ID3 name tags), then import them into sonicstage (I suggest doing them in parts, not all at once because it might crash).

    SonicStage doesn't affect any Mp3s that are imported into it, unless you delete it from SS then it asks you whether you want to delete it from the computer too, also you can select that any Name tag edits you make in sonicstage will actually change the original mp3's tags (which is usually good).

    Now thanks to SS3.2 you can rip Atrac files (better than mp3) and choose not to apply copy protection, that way you can back up those atrac files to any computer (like your dvd's) and it will accept it (just like an mp3).

    Sonicstage 3.2 will be your best choice software wise to transfer tracks to the HD5, most of the complaining about SS is not experienced by everyone, its just a little slow navigating but that could be due to the computers. Transfers are fast as usual and ripping is pretty good too (comparable to iTunes). You probably should make sure you have no other programs open and arn't doing anything on the computer while its transferring or ripping as it might cause glitches in the music (from my experience anyway).
    The mp3 fm is not that great imo, its way too simple, just a list of songs of whats on the device and you just drag things to it, I dont like it, however you can actually choose to put it on the HD5 itself so if you are ever on a computer that doesnt have SS and you want the music to play on the HD5 now then you can open mp3FM on the HD5 and use it. I would still use SS3.2 at home.
    And apparently sony claim that the new connect player software for the A3000 is not compatible with the HD5. No tests have been done yet.


    Only Problem with DRM is that if you do transfer tracks to the HD5 using the software (ss or mp3FM) you can't transfer them back to the computer (so dont delete the original).
    Im not to sure about the authorising stuff since some players seem to need it and some dont. Mine doesnt need it, i just plug it in and transfer away, ive transferred things from both my computers and it works fine, no formatting or authorising needed (unlike ipod and other players). Only downside to not authorising the computer is that you can't transfer songs back to the original computer. WHich isnt a big problem if you kept the original music files. Annoying thing is that if you want to transfer or backup your music using the HDD on the HD5 you must use explorer to transfer the tracks onto the removable storage part of the HD5, thus you will have two coppies of the tracks as they cant be played unless transferred using SS.



    SO it looks like you will like the HD5. THe main problems are fuctionality related like the software on board (gui). The cracking buttons, scratchy screen, and poor build quality such as the top plastic thing not sitting properly and allowing dust under the screen, mine also cracked and is falling off lol. Take note not all hd5s are as bad as mine, its a game of luck.
     
  9. drmoze

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    Do people think that somehow the HD5's are a worse player, or will mysteriously stop working, just because they have been 'discontinued' by Sony???

    I cannot see a single improvement in Sony's newer HDD players. They are larger, heavier, more expensive, no removable battery... Not worth it just for a "pretty" organic display.
     
  10. jackathon1

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    Does anyone know how long the supply of HD5s will last for? I want one, but was planning on waiting till after xmas hoping the prices would come down. I don't want an A3000 so do I need to buy one now before xmas and the stocks run out?
     
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    Hi there,

    I made a purposeful decision NOT to wait and get the new Sony model but grab a HD5H WHILE I STILL COULD! Reason: Had an ipod: bulky, old styling, overhyped, cant use as hard drive, no removeable battery, rubbish battery life, etc.. Same story for the others.
    HD5 = amazing build quality (metal body), removeable battey, BEST SOUND IN ANY PLAYER, can use as HDD, long battery life, ATRAC3Plus, good navigation (I actually prefer it to my ipod), the list really is endless!

    Buy it and you won't be disappointed.
     
  12. Cloysterpeteuk

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    Did you really have an ipod?, because if you did you would surely have known that you can use it as a hard drive and use it as portable storage.

    If that was a feature you were interested in, which it must have been because you mentioned it above, then how is it possible that you didn't know that it did that.

    Bizarre.
     
  13. kevH

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    "best sound in any player!"

    That, of course,Bork is very much in your humble opinion :nono:

    Many others in here would very much beg to differ including my goodself !! :smashin:
     
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    what would you consider to be the player with the best sound then?
     
  15. tera_logik

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    That is indeed a very nice question... and i would also like to know the answer,
    through the course of my life, i have had Walkman's, Discman's and MiniDisc's, and although i'm sure it exists, i have never heard any portable device with the audio quality that Sony delivers... My humble and probably very wrong opinion, based on my personal experience...

    I'm hoping to order my HD5 as soon as possible, if not by the end of the week, at least by monday it should be on Express mail to Portugal... Tomorrow (13th) is my birthday, and, depending on my kind family :thumbsup: , i will decide if i buy the new one, or the refurbished one, or wait... I have some money put aside, but it's not enough, and at my age, no one gives me any presents... they stick to some money and symbolic gifts...

    Tomorrow is D-Day... Going to find out if it's coming next week, or NEXT MONTH :(
     
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    I think a number of audio equipment manufacturers - from the lowest to the highest end - tend to have what might be called a 'house' sound. This certainly seems true in terms of Sony. Over the past 15 years or so, I, too, have experienced a range of Sony's portable audio devices. These have all seemed to me to share a certain 'colouring' (I'll avoid using the more contentious 'quality') in sound terms, which I've always been very happy with, and which I've not heard in equipment by other manufacturers. So perhaps when any of us assert that a particular player has the best sound around, what we're really saying is that we prefer the 'trademark' sound of one (or more) manufacturers, over the 'house' sound of other audio device makers.

    Just a thought ...
     
  17. Steven

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    I like to say slight emphasis to bass end, if you get me, as the "Sony sound"
     
  18. shadowritten

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    Agree. But warm, generally taut bass, rather than the 'flabbiness' some seem to think it has. And with crisp but not-too-sweet treble - just bordering on piercing with extreme highs, depending on how you have your EQ set.
     

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