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Need a cheap transport, suggestions?

Discussion in 'Hi-Fi Stereo Systems & Separates' started by Pezerinno, Aug 25, 2005.

  1. Pezerinno

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    Hi guys, I was originally using a denon 1910 dvd player with a TagMclaren Dac20 however the dvd player is now needed elsewhere. I'm wondering what a good transport to buy would be? The problem is I'm seriously skint :thumbsdow I'm also a little worried about buying a second hand spinner, maybe ex dem model or one with little use?

    Any good cheap as chips players to get that would compliment the dac20?

    Cheers, Nick.
     
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    £100 Pioneer 717, I used one for years with that DAC. Also at the £100 mark is the Sony NSV-900, £140 from Play Phillips 963 SACD/DVD-V. £200-300 Toshiba SD-900.

    I would not get too hung up on transport quality Nick, the DAC 20 seemed pretty impervious to them in my experience (as well designed DACs should be) for example I could not tell the difference between the 717 or the £2000 SD-9500 (40 spec jitter) acting as transports. Both sounded stunning.
     
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    Funnily enough DT I have just had an interesting discussion on another hifi board about the Toshibas 40 spec of jitter, even then its not a proper CD transport apparently :

    http://www.hifiwigwam.com/forum1/576.html

    You gotta larf at this hobby.
     
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    Take it £750 is a lot of cash... as a place local to me has the Tag CDT20 for sale on ex dem basis....
     
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    Scott, I think the CDT20 would be better if Nick had a DPA32r rather than a DAC20. He could then use the TAG sync-link, which is supposed to offer a significant perfomance improvement.

    Also, £750 is a heap of money for anything, especially a dedicated cd transport (the ultimate hi-fi luxury IMO!).

    DT
     
  7. Nic Rhodes

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    Pick something younger like the Tosh or 963, they have better digital outs in my book. Things have move on significantly. I think you will see benefits over a 717 era player.
     
  8. Pezerinno

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    Thanks for the advice guys. I think the toshiba SD100E looks good...
     
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    Check out Richer Sounds as they have got some great Toshiba and Pioneer bargains
     
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    Cripes - the SD100E. My first (and so far only) DVD player and I've had it ... must be about 5 years.
    The analogue out is useless, it sounds far better via digital out into my (modest) receiver. I can't tell the difference between the SD100E and the Marantz CD-63 via digital into the receiver.

    /edit - just realised that's a bit of a bad example as the Marantz has off-the scale jitter specs!

    A couple of quick points - 1) The mech is very picky about reading CD-Rs. All CD-RWs are fine however. 2) The motor is rather whiney - they all do it.
     
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    It has everything you need in a transport. The Marantz PMD 340 uses the VAM 1250 industrial grade CD mechanism. Internal parts are made of die cast metal, and the laser optics are made of glass rather than plastic as on most commercial mechanisms. It has a longer working life and better data reading ability, as it is designed to be used in unfavourable environments. The mechanism itself incorporates a preamplifier stage in the laser reading circuitry, for a better digital signal.
    You get a balanced digital output (SPDIF on XLR), unbalanced digital (SPDIF on RCA) and the usual balanced and unbalanced analog outputs. Build quality is rugged but not class (loading drawer is slightly noisy), typical of its pro heritage (but the buttons are way better than any consumer player). Shop around and you will find a good deal. If you are lucky you may get an ex-demo (try calling the pro-audio dealers). You can buy secondhand with confidence, as it is one of the most rugged mechanisms around.

    Cheers,
    Nirmal. :thumbsup:
     
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    Thanks for pointing that out, Nirmal. I would never have considered a piece of pro equipment for this role, but on reflection, it makes perfect sense. That is, if you can bear the look of the device in a domestic context. Personally, I wouldn't mind.

    Also, look at all those lovely buttons to play with!! Oh, and a jog-dial too! Yippee!!

    DT
     
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    Hi dynamic turtle
    I agree with you that pro-gear looks ugly as sin, but there are some fantastic pieces of equipment to be picked up at bargain prices. I use the marantz PMD340 as transport, along with the Benchmark DAC1 and a Bryston 4B SST poweramp (Pro), all of which I got at bargain prices (sorry, my pro audio dealer made me promise not to reveal the prices I paid for them, as he did me a special deal ;) ). The performance of these are fantastic :clap: . I would have had to spend mega bucks to get even half this performance at a Hi-Fi store. Most high quality pro gear tend to be very neutral in sonic character, so you can carefully change the sound of a system by experimenting with things like different pre-amps, tube stuff, speakers e.t.c, keeping most of your system intact for several years.
    Over the years, I have spent thousands of pounds on consumer high end audio, the performance of which pales in comparison to some of the pro-gear I now own. Pro-gear tends to keep its resale value value much better than consumer gear. However, it certainly isn't for those who like their audio porn :censored: . For those who are on a tight budget, or simply tight fisted :rolleyes: , it is definitely something worth looking into.

    Cheers,
    Nirmal :)
     
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    You could also take a look at some of the TEAC VRDS transports which can be had at very decent prices,and are very well made.

    The transport mechanisms were used by Wadia in many of their CD transports.
     
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    I'm guessing manufactuer's margins on home/audiophile products is higher than that on Pro equipment? I understand why they'd like to keep the two as seperate as possible, in terms of both general visibility and aesthetics!!

    DT
     
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    I've heared very good things about the VRDS mechanism. They appear quite regularly on Ebay. I am not sure if they are repairable if they break down. This is something that you might have to take into consideration, as most of the units that appear secondhand are several years old. I am sure the mechanical bits will be pretty bombproof, but verify the availability of spares for the laser mechanism before you take the plunge. Some are no longer in production. Lots of Meridian transports appear on e-bay also, but you pay a premium for the brand name eventhough they are secondhand. CEC belt drive transports also are appearing increasingly on the secondhand market. There seems to be a lot of controversy about why they are appearing in such large numbers, but I am not familiar with the details. Whatever you decide on, balanced digital output is a small advantage if your DAC will accept a balanced input. Noise rejection is slightly better than unbalanced connections.

    Cheers,
    Nirmal :)
     
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    Just adding a point to my suggestion of the PMD340 as transport. I just found out that Naim use the same CD mechanism (VAM 1250) in their top of the range CD S3 and the CD X2 and Burmester use it in their CD Player 006. The ability of the PMD340 to read the 0's and 1's off the silver discs will be very similar to these heavy weights! Add that to a good reclocking DAC over balanced connection, and you have one mighty fine source that can mix with the boys at the high end at a fraction of their cost. I know that power supplies etc will be different, but I think most people would agree that this is a steal! Shhhh dont let Marantz hear of this, or prices will go up.

    Cheers,
    Nirmal.
     
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    I no longer require a transport of some description now guys. Thanks for all the good suggestions though.
     
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    Thread resurrection,. and question for those of you experienced in using DVD players as transports

    I'm currently using a cheapo Sony DVD as transport, and am not overly convinced by the jitter / dedicated transports are best debate (notch your bedpost, CJR)

    However, of the DVD players mentioned, how do they fare on speed of access to tracks and general speed of transport vs a CD player? The Tosh and Pioneer are both appealing, but I don't wanna get them if they turn out to be no fast er than my current spinner, and not as fast as a CD player.

    Any advice welcome, as always

    Cheers, Craig
     
  20. Mr_Sukebe

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    FYI, I now use a Meridian 500 transport with my NOS DAC. IMO It sounds considerably better than when running from my DVD player.
     
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    That it very likely because the NOS DAC is badly designed and cannot deal differing jitter specs of the incoming data stream.

    Most differences in transports are not in fact the problem with the transport it is with the external DAC.

    Have a read of
    "Principles of Digital Audio" by Ken Pohlmann
    Published by McGraw Hill.

    isbn 0-07-144156-5
     
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    Does it really matter why there is an improvement? Surely the important thing is that there IS an improvement.
     
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    Its something that may be of use to others if not yourself....practically speaking,it may matter little that there is an improvement,but the fact that there is does point to shortcomings in the DAC's ability to cope with possibly high levels of jitter,and this has been noted with DVD players when used as CD transports previously.

    Oversampling and NOS DACS all have their good and bad points,and the benefits and losses have to be weighed against each other when choosing a DAC/transport combination.
     

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