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NEC 42XR3 / iScan HD+ / Denon 3910

Discussion in 'Plasma TVs' started by UglyMoose, Dec 30, 2004.

  1. UglyMoose

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    I am considering putting NEC 42XR3 / iScan HD+ / Denon 3910 together to upgrade my existing system and after much reading on this forum, and would like to know what you think.

    Requirements:
    DVI route from DVD to Plasma (HDCP compliant)
    Scaler inclusion to improve existing Sky+ / PS2
    HD ready for Sky 2006 (720p/50 & 1080i/50)

    Previous considerations:
    Pioneer PDP435XDE - not good for scaler use
    Pioneer PDP43MXE1 - excellent but for lack of HDCP compliance, have emailed Pioneer about possible firmware / next generation MXE2(?)
    Panasonic PHD7 - fantastic but for hdmi /dvi card fiasco - no 720p/50 & 1080i/50

    Any help / suggestions much appreciated :)
    Anyone know any where to demo the NEC 42XR3?

    Thanks
     
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    Flawless logic, as long as you like the screen, not to say you should not. You should be able to achieve a 1 cable connection, digital naturally, as the HD+ will pass a DVI signal through if you ask it nicely. I can see I'd better get an NEC demo screen.
     
  3. UglyMoose

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    Thanks MAW, please let me know if you get a NEC demo screen
     
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    I watched the NEC XR3 recently and it produced the best picture of them all, it got a picture quality that compares to the Panasonics, but the NEC got way better colors.

    I was really impressed by the XR3, the Pioneer was looking dull when compared, only the Panasonic could really compare.

    However i have read in USA that the NECs are very sensitive to burn-in.
     
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    I'm sure that Liam at Progressive AV could demo this set-up for you, if that is within 'travellable' distance for you.
     
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    MAW

    At last. I look forward to hearing your opinion.

    AV Junky

    Unfortunately, Liam doesn't have any demo facilities.

    Can anyone tell me where to get a decent XR3 demonstration in the south of England. I have contacted NEC UK and they have been very helpful with regard to technical matters but the dealer they suggested appears to be a joke.
     
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    All too often the case.......... apart from calling every possible retailer in 100 miles all i can suggest you do is search the AV forums on the web some one some where must have seen a demo of one these at a dealer..... Also try TCR.....
     
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    Nexnix? I notice they have the NEC VR5 on offer so maybe they have the XR3 and/or demo facilities?
     
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    As this is an area of considerablke interest to a lot of people, I'll buy one on Tuesday. What do you all want to see?
     
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    As far as I can see ..... everybody wants it to be all things to all people - is that too much to ask ? :devil:
     
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    Yes! Do you just want to see an XR3?
     
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    I think that everyone is looking at the new NECs as a realistic rival to the 7-series Panasonics. As far as demo information goes, it would be nice if someone could try them out with a variety of signals. Obviously the killer ones are 720p/1080i @50hz ;) (and 60hz I guess, for NTSC DVD).

    Seeing how they work out with one of the 'HD' scalers would be cool as well.

    On a related note, is there anywhere in the North-East that could demo them? It's like the bloody AV dark ages up here...
     
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    NEC have confirmed that the XR3/XM3 will accept thesis signals via DVI. The only important one that they won't accept is 1024x768 (native resolution) at 50hz which is a pain for HCPC users like myself. However, as far as I am aware the MXE1 is the one and only plasma that will accept this and that is not HDCP complaint.

    MAW
    Either the XR3 or XM3 will do. They are basically the same, the only differences being colour, options, and the latter having video wall capability. These are the two HD 42 inch models that most people are interested in. The 50 inch models are basically the same animal so most of your research findings will apply to them. If you can confirm Liam's review that will be enough for me and I will buy one. Where are you located and could you give a demo?
     
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    I'm in Cobham, Surrey. I will get a screen in and post here or a new thread, we'll see whether we can do a whole bunch or a few at a time.
     
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    Thats fantastic MAW, I was press-ganged over to Essex from Surrey, but I can easily find my way back!

    I wouldnt mind seeing the addition of the HD+ scaler aswell if possible, but the main point is the NEC.
     
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    Hi all. No good demo facilities at my place I'm afraid, and no XR3 to look at! (yet) However NEC are gonna let me borrow their demonstration suite in Islington for an afternoon at the end of the month. It's not perfect home cinema viewing as there is an arsey scaler in the setup (to simplify distribution) which throws everything non-HD out at the same resolution (1366 x 720 or something odd that I can't change). But you do get to see Sky TV, HDTV, DVD and PC run to 42VR4, 42XR3, 50XR4 and 61XM3 panels! I'm also gonna run a DVD player direct to the XR3 to bypass the room control system for better comparison.

    So if anyone's interested I'll be getting the date from NEC hopefully this week, it will be a normal working weekday during normal working hours in the last week of Jan or first of Feb. Unfortunately we can't be any more flexible than that, but they are about the only place to find them all on show. It's in the Business Design Centre in Islington in NECs suite (and I spied a Panny round the corner when I was there yesterday). I'll start a new thread when I get more news.
     
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    So does the NEC definitely do 720p/50 over DVI with HDCP??

    And I understand it will do 1024x768@75Hz over DVI, is this correct?

    So Liam, how do you find it compared with the Panasonics, I hear good reports from the states with the 50XM/R4 (which is the same generation as far as I can work out).
     
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    It certainly does 720/50 with HDCP, I have not tried XGA yet, but will be doing.
     
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    I ran a Lumagen VisionDVI 720p @ 50Hz no worries to the panel. I tried 75Hz XGA but got nothing, although I think if I had more time to do it again I might be able to... the spec quite cleearly states it as possible, specifically via DVI.
     

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