Good spot, thanks Ricky.
I think NAD need to consider their distribution network in the UK. Sevenoaks failed to supply a unit for home evaluation, so I eventually settled on a Classe Sigma after an extended loan. I can't see how NAD expect to sell many units, at least in the UK, if the dealer network they've chosen aren't enthusiastic and willing to help customers.
I really hope NAD see this so they can re-evaluate their strategy and dealer network, as they lost a potential customer, and don't see them shifting many units in any given year seeing how niche the product is. A real shame, as they have a killer product yet they could do so much better
Ricky,
Interesting spot. I have NAD Power Amps (M25 and C270) and I am considering upgrading to an ATMOS/DTS-X pre-amp (I have a Marantz AV8801 at the moment). Do you know if you bought one of these new (circa £4k in the UK) these modules would be included or would be they optional extras. Appreciate with the discussion above re distributors it may be different in Sweden than the UK. It would be certainly be great to include NAD as a potential candidate as I'm happy with the Power Amps.
George
Hey you! Long time! Thanks for reading and dropping a line!
Wholeheartedly agree with everything you said. THEIR LOSS, frankly, as one happy customer can easily spawn another, and another and so on. Bad strategy all-round. How they expect to sell niche products if they won't supply units for home evaluation? Completely the wrong way to go about it if you ask me. The single dealer chain for NAD here in Sweden where I live have the opposite approach, and they sell more as a result. Not just NAD, but other surrounding products due to their flexible approach. But... it's a weird business.
Sure hope NAD will re-evaluate for future customers in the UK!
I am still most happy with my NAD M17 and M27. Stellar performance and day-to-day operation every time I turn em on. Funny thing is I keep feeling more and more impressed by them as time goes by. It's odd. Looking forward mostly to the module with BluOS so I can start streaming high-quality Tidal directly into the processor!! Too bad NAD takes a bit long to update these modules, but then again - some brands don't even offer something like this to begin with. Like Classé, for example. Wish they did though, as they are top-of-the-line for sure.
Hope you enjoying every minute spent with the Sigma! You matched it with Naim amps then? Must sound sublime with those PMC's? WOW! Wish I could pop by for a demo!
Glad you are still delighted with the NAD pre/power combo. The Canadian AV manufacturers seem to be coming up trumps lately, no doubt with their HiFi heritage helping develop some great products.
Classe do offer incremental upgrades, with a 4k/2.0 HDMI video board promised for a while possibly with an Atmos upgrade too. Not that I'm too fussed as I only use a 5.1 system and always route Video well away from AV products direct to the TV. Speaking of which, I notice you've upgraded to a 2016 LG OLED, which could well be next on my upgrade list.
I've also swapped the PMC twenty.24s for one of the last available pairs of 26s as they are being superseded by the twenty25 range. These have been a real step up and seem to get the most out of the Classe and Naim boxes.
Are you sure the Twenty series are being discontinued? It was my understanding that (at least for the immediate future) PMC's intention was to run the Twenty and Twenty-Five series side by side.BTW... speaking of PMC speakers... a bit sad to learn that the Twenty20-series are being replaced by the Twenty5. I'm keen on Twenty.23 and Twenty.C for a 5.0 set-up to replace my MA Apex system. Guess I need to hurry before they run out...?! Can you give me some detailed feedback on your experience of the Twenty.C center channel? Would love to hear about it! I would possibly combine it with Twenty.23 front and back, if any left.
Are you sure the Twenty series are being discontinued? It was my understanding that (at least for the immediate future) PMC's intention was to run the Twenty and Twenty-Five series side by side.
Ricky ... I'm curious if you know where the Atmos board will be mounted in the M17? Replacing the component / composite video board perhaps?
Perhaps re-post to the PMC thread and I will reply to you there about the 20.CBTW... speaking of PMC speakers... a bit sad to learn that the Twenty20-series are being replaced by the Twenty5. I'm keen on Twenty.23 and Twenty.C for a 5.0 set-up to replace my MA Apex system. Guess I need to hurry before they run out...?! Can you give me some detailed feedback on your experience of the Twenty.C center channel? Would love to hear about it! I would possibly combine it with Twenty.23 front and back, if any left.
Perhaps re-post to the PMC thread and I will reply to you there about the 20.C
Very interesting. Do you happen to happen to know when it will be released?
My dealer is already taking pre-orders for this module but because it's NAD we're talking about delays are to be expected. "Sometime in November" was the original schedule, but I wouldn't at all be surprised if we don't see the module until after New Years.
NAD is also upgrading all forthcoming M17 processors with the two new modules (4K UHD and immerseive audio/Dirac). So future units will have these pre-installed... sort of an M17.2 version.
Thanks. I'll keep an eye out.
I think the best people to ask that of would be Sevenoaks as NAD's UK importer. Only they will give you an answer which has any validity.This is probably more a UK question - but if someone bought a NAD M17 now do you know if the 4k & ATMOS DIRAC modules would be chargeable extras, from memory I thought the 4k card would be free.
Is DIRAC LIVE working well for you with the XMC-1 or have you not been using it?
I'm actually very pleased with my sound without any EQ whatsoever (after having been a devoted Audyssey fanboy) but will be interested nonetheless to see if DIRAC can even out some room-mode issues which I can't combat with treatment panels.