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My Relisys RLT-1720 a Dissapoinment:Review

Discussion in 'Plasma TVs' started by Sarah_UK, Sep 5, 2003.

  1. Sarah_UK

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    Relisys RLT-1720 LCD/TV

    Hi guys. First post alert.
    :blush:

    I just wanted to let you know after reading all your
    views and experiences on the new 17'' LCD/TV from
    Relisys, I thought I would let you hear mine as it differs
    to everyone’s enthusiastic ones on here!

    I sat here for hours reading everyone’s views on
    LDC/TV's and went for the Relisys, (mainly due
    to Mat's experience with it and his 'no ghosting' Gamecube)
    and also the fact it was CHEAP!


    So....I purchased Model Number: RLT-1720 BS (Black + Silver).

    Here are my observations/concerns.

    i)

    I tested the screen out via VGA as a monitor. I was initially
    disappointed with the 'washed out' and lack of contrast
    (black) image look on the Desktop running WinXP. This
    surprised me as people on here commented it was a quality
    screen. I looked closer and realised the screen is very
    'bitty'. By this I mean visually not clear like a CRT monitor.
    (I realise this is the way they are made). It also appeared
    to visually flicker (admittedly not too badly) just on a bare
    background..the icons were not clear, and had slightly
    pixelated edges.

    ii)
    I played Winamp......the quality is so poor the MP3 'text'
    of the track (which scrolls left to right) actually flashes constantly.
    VERY noticeably. This does not do this on my CRT or even my 'cheap' Tablet PC (Which is also an LCD like the Relisys).
    I felt this would not bode well for PC Games. I was right.

    iii)
    I played a PC Game. Medal of honour.
    How bad did this look? On the 'training' level, the trees
    'FLASH' at me, when I move left to right as the screen simply
    cannot keep up with the image being displayed. The images
    'jump' at you, very off putting.

    iv)

    I came to the conclusion that for a stylish
    WIDE SCREEN monitor it is OK.
    Not rubbish, but not good either. (The flashing
    moving text was tiresome and rather cheap looking).
    One could say for £440, what did I expect? Fair enough.

    Either way, I was relieved the RLT-1720 can also
    be used as a DVD source, and a TV. So I put it in my
    bedroom.

    I hooked up SKY TV (via an RF digilink, not S-VID/Component) to the back of the Relisys via the RF port. What a major disappointment. Infact it went from disappointing to unacceptable. My boyfriend came in and thought the
    car racing on TV was a PS2 Game! (Admittedly only briefly).

    On my screen, SKY TV genuinely looks like a Full Screen MPEG in windows,very bad quality and very bad 'Ghosting'.

    Further testing (watching QVC shopping channel)
    the presenter moves slowly around the studio.
    Her arm visually 'blurs'. It is so bad, I originally thought it
    was a slow-mo replay! I sat back and contemplated, if I have
    got caught in the 'newbie' trap of expecting too much, but
    I feel I haven't. (Correct me if I'm wrong). I also have an
    older LCD tablet PC, and this is nowhere near as good
    as that.. :-( Yet it's meant to be super 16m/s etc etc....

    Sitting on my bed, the picture quality is totally lacking in
    black image or ANY sharpness/colour for what I would call
    a modern LCD screen. It looks like a projector screen, but
    I mean one from School in the 1980s'......Unless I sat
    totally straight infront of it, and angled the Relisys perfectly
    level, the screen is grey and very bright. So I had to lie
    in bed with my head kept perfectly level. How silly is that?

    Naturally I did adjust all the settings, and although putting
    the SHARPNESS setting on max helped, there was still
    inadequate focus on any of the images to even approach
    a £80 portable CRT from Dixons.

    Conclusion:

    I imagine there is nothing wrong with my screen at all
    and I am just inexperienced in expecting it to compare
    to a CRT TV. Having said that, my current TV is considered
    pretty poor as it is not a 100mhz Pixel
    Plus, but a 10year old Sony 21'' 55hz!). So I really felt
    the Relisys had a good chance, yet it failed miserably.

    The only good thing I have to say about this product is
    that it is attractive to look at, and has good sound.
    (Considering the size of the speakers). Also the price
    is very good. But as I realised more now, one gets one
    one pays for. On that subject £400 would purchase
    (a bulky) but larger Phillips 24'' Widescreen with integral
    DVD player (24PW6817).

    Is it possible it is faulty or maybe a first generation model?
    I purchased it from E-BUYER and one thing I note that is odd
    is that the BOX states it is 25m/s response rate, yet
    E-BUYER + Relisys both state it is a 16m/s product.

    Maybe I have an 'old' TFT screen in the new case, who knows.
    Either way, if this is what TFT screens look like in general
    (E.g Philips/Grundig/ 17'') I have no idea how they sell
    if they look like a poor MPEG in full screen. Now if it looked
    like a high quality DIV-X film, then I would not be complaining,
    but it doesn't even approach that.

    I would like to hear anyone’s ideas please (if you have any)
    on what I can do next, or (better still) an alternative to
    this stylish, feature packed, but flawed product.

    Does anyone know if the £675 Philips (17PF9945) has a 'superior'
    LCD/TV screen?


    Yours

    Sarah.

    :(
    :thumbsdow
    :-(
     
  2. NeilMcRae

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    Sarah,
    First thing I'd check was what LCD screen yoru relisys has. They are using two different components, one has 16ms refresh, the other 25ms, the 16ms refresh screen is far superior to the 25ms screen. One other thing- make sure that your PC is running in the native resolution of the LCD screen, otherwise the screen will scale the image, I've yet to see an LCD screen with a half decent scaler so far.

    However, this underlines my point of always demoing this type of stuff before buying.

    If I was you Sarah I'd check out the points above asap or return the screen ASAP.

    Neil.
     
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    I have a samsung 19" TFT which is great for games on my PC and doesn't duffer from any of the kind of problems you mention. Running the screen in non-native resolution can reduce quality a bit though.

    I would suggest you send the relysis back and find something else, it sounds unacceptable to me.
     
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    Hi Guys.

    Thankyou very much for all your replies.

    I cannot get out the house to 'demo' any products
    as I am housebound. This is why I have to rely on other peoples views/ experiences with everything, be it a LCD screen or
    clothes, etc.. rather annoying obviously.

    PC
    ----

    Anyway, good point about 'native' resolution.
    It was set on 1028x768 @ 75Mhz on
    'Plug & Play Monitor'.

    I guess this is correct. The manual says it supports
    this at XGA. I take it this is supported by a normal
    AGP Graphics card + VGA Monitor input?

    I think this is correct. One thing I did notice was that the
    'Monitor' in WinXP is described as 'Plug & Play' Monitor
    and not LCD or TFT type. Maybe this is my problem?
    I set it up on Digital Flat Panel also but it made no
    difference.

    Either way I doubt it, as I can't find any 'drivers' to
    download to fit the screen, so presumably there aren't
    any and 'Plug & Play' will suffice.


    TV

    I was wondering, if the picture literallyis too 'zoomed' in
    for the TV. (Hence it looks like a 'zommed' MPEG clip).
    Looking at the SKY Digital picture, the banner at the bottom
    looks too big for the size of the screen. Maybe it's my imagination.

    Either way, I'll have a look at the other monitors you mentioned.
    I e-mailed Relisys, they just replied, saying that it is 16m/s and
    that is the only model they sell! (Huh?!!! It says 25ms on the box LOL). Either they are fibbing or unaware of what they sell. Maybe I can get someone to take the back off it to check what is the manufacturer of the LCD screen (somehow). :rolleyes: Otherwise how do I know what 'version' I really have? :( :confused: :(

    Anyone got any ideas when I send this back how I get a 'real'
    16m/s version? If not I'll skip widescreen and get the Hyundai Q17

    Thanks again

    Sarah
     
  6. Nic Rhodes

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    good first post
     
  7. bertha

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    This isn't good news - I've literally just logged on to buy one of these dudes - I had read from a previous post that the ebuyer screen was a 25ms version as opposed to dabs , which is where I was about to order from...should I think again...the next cheapest 17" widescreen is £700?? What to do?


    damn......:(
     
  8. NeilMcRae

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    Sarah apologies about the going to view these screens!

    Perhaps Matt could post a model number from his screen. I'll try and find the info about the two different LCDs in these screens and give you that info back.

    Are there any dealers here on the forums that would be willing to spend some time to help Sarah view these screens at home? Before commiting?

    Regards,
    Neil.
     
  9. NeilMcRae

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    Interestingly it seems you have the new model with the fast screen, does yours have SCART and teletext?

    Neil.
     
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    ALso I think the native resoltuion is:

    1280x768


    Matt, on your gamecube, does the LCD scale the picture or do you hae black borders?

    Regards,
    Neil.
     
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    Confused!!!
    I'm just about to buy one of thes LCD TVs and I fancied the Relisys RTL1720 but not so sure about it now. My other choices were the Samsung LW15E23C or the LGRE15LA both similar in price. Any advice or suggestions would be appreciated.

    Regards...Ron
     
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    The Grundig is now down to £599
     
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    Appreciate your thoughts Neil, but it's OK, I'll send it back.

    If you can see this MAT or anyone else, who has had a good experience with the RLT-1720 with no ghosting (hence somehow you have the 16 m/s), can you please see if these CODES on the back are the same as yours? This was we can stop other people on here running into problems like me.

    Maybe the CODE of note is: .Model LV87C

    Thanks again guys, sorry if I sound like I am 'dissing' this product!!

    Sarah

    P.S Tried to watch neighbours on it, and the text streamed
    about 2 inches long as it scrolled up!

    Opsss
    :devil:
     
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    As others have said, make sure when running through your PC that you have it running at native resolution.

    Also, if you have WinXP, turn "Cleartype" on, it makes a big difference. Control Panel -> Display -> Appearance tab -> Effects Button -> click the Cleartype box. (if it's not there you can download it from www.microsoft.com, search for cleartype).

    Can't help with the TV smearing though.

    mike
     
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    If your getting smearing from PC and video then there's definitely something wrong with the TV. I'm writing this with a 25ms panel screen (not the Relisys) and it doesn't smear even when fast scrolling. I did a search for LV87C and it comes up with a German site showing a screen identical to the Relisys 1720. So I think you've bought the right (or wrong) 16ms one. Where did you get the TV from?
     
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    Sarah, quite likely a faulty screen (our's here have no such issues). Here's an interesting fact - all Relisys 1720's are the same response time, 25ms for PC (which is more than enough for winamp!) and 16ms for AV.
     
  17. NeilMcRae

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    How can the screen have two different response times?!
     
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    Re the PC : You have to load the proper driver for the screen, do NOT use the WinXP one as that is the standard one. On my LCD screen, that improved the clarity no end.

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    Hi..

    Sorry Only found out about this thread on the ntsc-uk forums :)

    Yes my box says 25ms and the model number is the same.. I demoed mine down at av-sales (with my Panasonic Q) and if it had been anything like that I would have bought a different panel.

    I have used a Toshiba laptop connected to it outputing 1024x768 which is then scaled up by the monitor. not had any issues and I have mainly used that for watching DIVX movies though it.. if you would like me to try something specific..let me know and I'll whip my PC upstairs.

    Just this evening I tried a pace freeview box in via the RF connection (aerial sling over a door) and the picture I got was great (and I was not expecting much from my small indoor aerial)

    It does sound like you have a faulty screen.. I have been able to play Metriod Prime and Zelda with no smearing.. and these 2 titles I would have thought would show that up very quickly.

    Let me know if you would like screen shots posted of anything inparticular.. and I post them here..

    Regards

    Matt
     

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