My mini cinema/mancave

Is it worth having 2 subwoofers..?


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generalgizmo

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Hi
I'm new to this forum but have been into home cinema for quite a few years now even more so after working at a clients house many years ago who's kit blew me away..
I've been doing a project in my garden and chopping changing things over the last few years...
I initially bought a workshop to house my dartboard and arcade machine but as the children have got older it has been more difficult to get into the front room to watch films so took it upon myself to make some major changes...
I am a painter decorator by trade so all the work I did myself from insulating the walls made the units from mdf and painted them black and stuck carpet tiles to the ceilings and walls then extended to make a lobby area for the arcade machine etc.
Having owned a few Pioneers that was my choice of screen as have one in the front room.. the bd player is a bdp450 and own the pioneer av 1131 with a 7.1 made up of q acoustics and dali zensors.
I was thinking of getting another sub but not sure if it would be too much..
Anyway here are some pics not great as from my camera phone. .
Let me know what you think..
 

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generalgizmo

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Ok great thanks for that.. I wasn't sure if it might have been a bit overkill as it's just basically a shiplap cladded workshop which I insulated and carried out the rest of the work too.. I was thinking of changing the dali z1s to the z3s also... initially I started off with an old crt tv then went from 42. 50 now 60 inch tv. Did you have both of the subwoofer at the front of the room or one placed elsewhere.? My mancave/cinema room is 128 feet..
Thanks. .!!
 

Thresherinc

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Ok great thanks for that.. I wasn't sure if it might have been a bit overkill as it's just basically a shiplap cladded workshop which I insulated and carried out the rest of the work too.. I was thinking of changing the dali z1s to the z3s also... initially I started off with an old crt tv then went from 42. 50 now 60 inch tv. Did you have both of the subwoofer at the front of the room or one placed elsewhere.? My mancave/cinema room is 128 feet..
Thanks. .!!
Quite by accident I put mine in the front corners, I later ran REW room sim to check it out and found it was the best spot for them.
:)
 

generalgizmo

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Looks great :) I want to see more of that MAME cabinet :D
Here I have a few more pics for you.. :)
Still prefer the older games to new ones graphics not as good but game play can't be beaten or am I just showing my age.. lol :)
 

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generalgizmo

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Hi all..
I was thinking of getting a second sub in the den as it consists of bookshelfs and 2 satelites, now after listening to the system in the front room (which i havent for a long time) put on terminator 2 and was suprised how much better it sounded than the mancave.. I then thought floorstanders.? originally was toying with the idea of moving the dali z1s to the back and buying the zensor 3s to the front would I be better off with the zensor 5 floor standers. ..? Anyone upgraded to them.? It would mean altering the cabinets I made which is not too much of a problem as I'm currently boarding the ceiling to tidy up for the satelite speakers and more original posters in the frames as they have been a bit abused over the years ... any advice would be appreciated. .
 

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trivialsid

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Carpet tiles sound great idea that have not heard of before. Can anyone see any problems if I put carpet tiles on wall and ceiling of single brick garage.
 

Chester

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Subwoofers: Two subwoofers allow you to have more than the 'sweet spot' covered with good bass, whereas a single sub (assuming it's positioned correctly) will focus in this area only. But I'm not sure it's going to benefit you in a small space. The best thing to do is to move around all of the seated positions and listen, and if you're happy with the bass quality in all of them, then it's all good. If you believe the bass is uneven and would like a more level experience at all of the seated positions, then multi-sub is the way to go.

Speakers: This is probably where your money is better spent anyway. I think this largely comes down to your perceived stereo quality, and the room size again. If stereo is good, then leave the fronts as they are. Floor standers would probably not 'breathe' properly. Generally they need space around them and that's probably a premium too far. A much greater advantage to you would be the control of timbre and positioning of smaller speakers where you're much more likely to get this correct. My advice would be to keep as many of them identical (especially the drivers used, if not the cabinets) as you possibly can. This will give you clarity and steering improvements. You may even find moving to a 3D/immersive 5.1.2 system rather than 7.1 gives you more choices in speaker positioning.


Ceiling mounted carpet tiles: OK, well this totally depends on what you're trying to cure. If they're quite a shallow pile, then the only audible improvement will be to limit high frequency reflections. The lower the frequencies you want to treat, the more depth you need. If it's the reflections from the display that needs taming to save from distractions, this should work really well. However there are lots of shiny surfaces in the room that will then become more distracting because there are fewer distractions overall. If they're in the field of vision, they're the ones that need attention. A neat trick here is a little ambient light all around the room which can reduce distractions by using less focused light, soften the blow of dark to light to dark or strobing scenes on your eyes, lower the perceived black floor on the display (you don't need too much of this being a Pioneer owner ;) ) and also simply that you can just about see what you're doing. Being able to control this ambient light level means you can control the mood in the room too. Keep the spots for when the movie isn't playing though, they're fine.

This room is a great escape and has the potential to become a masterpiece. Good job General, and can't wait to see how the improvement bug has caught you! :)
 

generalgizmo

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Thanks for the input guys...
1st to me the carpet tiles on top of the mdf has seemed to help the noise level keep down a bit and does stop any reflections only down side is that because it gets very hot in there in the summer and it's all locked up the adhesive being solvent based can tend to move and what I found worked best was using neat pva on both the painted mdf and the back of the carpet tiles. . So far it hasn't moved.. As said in 1st post it was going to the vue that gave me the idea and carpet tiles in packs are very reasonably priced just be sure to paint wall or underneath surface same colour so if any mm gap no different colours show through paperhanging method I use at work helped in that area cos once it's on and stuck its on no 2nd chances or going back..!!
I am going to my local richersounds to listen to the dali z5s and the 7 floorstanders this Thurs and will then take apart the cupboards and do the same as I did on the ceiling to the wall areas where the speakers will go..
Am just working out the measurements to see which ones I can accommodate as I can do without moving the screen again the krp500 I had was heavy but the 600 on your own is like trying to manoeuvre a body on a wall..lol
I will let you know how I get on and what I decide to get and will upload more pics as I alter things.. thanks trivialsid and Chester for your interest.
All the best
 

generalgizmo

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Ps.. all the lights above the posters are led strips on a multi switch so they go off when i have a film on.. then the lighting behind the tv comes on so room is basically pitch black albeit the back tv light and whatever is on the screen it seems to help blacks appear darker too even though I've accessed the tv to tweak the voltages. .
 

Cherrywood

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if you have issues with the glue future, look at high temperature spray adhesive. Its normally used for headliners etc. I used it before you a DIY headliner and never had any saggying etc.

Room looks great!
 

generalgizmo

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if you have issues with the glue future, look at high temperature spray adhesive. Its normally used for headliners etc. I used it before you a DIY headliner and never had any saggying etc.

Room looks great!
Many thanks... will try some of that next time as always altering stuff..
Cheers
 

generalgizmo

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Ps.. all the lights above the posters are led strips on a multi switch so they go off when i have a film on.. then the lighting behind the tv comes on so room is basically pitch black albeit the back tv light and whatever is on the screen it seems to help blacks appear darker too even though I've accessed the tv to tweak the voltages. .
 

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generalgizmo

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if you have issues with the glue future, look at high temperature spray adhesive. Its normally used for headliners etc. I used it before you a DIY headliner and never had any saggying etc.

Room looks great!
Hi Cherrywood
Is there a particular brand you bought and from where.? I did pick a carpet layers brain I knew which led me to the contact spray adhesive but as said when gets hot the solvent based adhesive moves..
Thanks
 

Cherrywood

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Hi Cherrywood
Is there a particular brand you bought and from where.? I did pick a carpet layers brain I knew which led me to the contact spray adhesive but as said when gets hot the solvent based adhesive moves..
Thanks
Sorry do not know any brands, have a look at car upholstery sites etc. They always use high temperature glue
 

generalgizmo

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I have started to take apart the units in the den and after listening to the zensor 5 and zensor 7s.. I've opted for the 5s..
I had planned to take the doors off the cupboards paint and tile around but even the smaller zensor 5s were 25 mm too big for the carcasses. . :facepalm:
The pics below show where I'm at and will have to make another unit behind the seating to accommodate some of the bits from the cupboards. . Tomorrow night will be build time.. :)
 

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generalgizmo

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Started the Base fed through wires to mdf bases ..
Next was to put a finished Base on top with a pilot hole to the speakers
I then made a platform to raise the corner chair higher and painted it black to match in as well as units at the back for storage and the zensor 1s to sit on.. also cabinets for my collectables by the arcade..
Finally speakers in place and posters in their frames back on the walls.. had one mishap where one of the frames came off and original "underworld" poster got torn!!! :devil: luckily all the others are fine and protected..!!
Now all done am very happy and the zensor 5s sound really good..!! :clap:
Time to stop messing about as the wife says and just enjoy it...!!
 

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generalgizmo

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Had a look through some pics and couldn't believe didnt post this classic up!!?? probably my favourite film and longest I've had out of my original posters :). picked it up in my early teens..!!!
 

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generalgizmo

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I've been at it again as decided to move the room round a bit after buying some new cinema chairs as fancied a bit of a change as room layout wouldn't have worked... I had intended to go oled route so sold the krp600 and then because of circumstances had to postpone but got a 5090 to tie me over for the time being... going a bit smaller though is not all that bad though as for some reason gives deeper blacks than the krp although voltages were dropped on both..
 

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