My Home Theatre - with floating 4k screen

Mr X

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UPDATE 22 Feb 2016

Due to a major cock-up by Imageshack - all previous links to pics have been lost as they accidentally deleted my images! All images PLUS new ones not shown previously and some new latest pictures will be reloaded over the next week to two weeks. Sorry!



After trying to move for almost 2 years :suicide: finally found a new home :thumbsup:

As a result of wanting to move my AV upgrades had been put on hold (which was very painful!) but I now finally have room for a dedicated Home Cinema, so time to make up for lost time and empty the wallet in the process!




The Room

When I moved in, the garage had been tastfully converted to an all white play room with some lovely porcelain tiles and gloss white cabinets. As you can tell from some of the pics - very reflective and shiny!

It has been done extremely nicely and was tempted just to turn it into a games room (pool table and a big flat screen on wall) but I've been longing for a dedicated cinema room for years so a games room/gym will have to wait and will be an outhouse build, hopefully later on this year.

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Great storage but it has to go as it's the best place for the screen.

I've tried to take shots that show the angles moving around the room.

The room is very bright at moment both visually and acoustically.

The Objective

Bit concerned about the acoustics in it's current state but the walls are plasterboard and very well insulated but sadly as I mentioned, that lovely Porcelain flooring is going to have to go or at least be covered.

As there is a Mrs X :facepalm: there are some compromises :mad:and that's to keep at least two of the cupboards for storage and the spare shower room/cloakroom at the back (even though it's never used)

Would have loved to have got rid of both for a bigger screen but alas :nono:

So primary objective is a warm, plush family room with great acoustics and picture. Will discuss kit later.
 
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Mr X

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Originally was going to have the screen hidden in the ceiling and have it drop down in front of a TV. 2 issues with this -

1) Because of the cloakroom at the back and the fact I want a screen that is 100+ in size, I need to maximise viewing distance. The cupboards are really deep so I need to reclaim that space.

2) What you can't see in the pic is that about .5 m in front of the cupboards there is a step. Everyone that has visited the house has tripped down it at some stage. So what I want to do is make a feature of it and less dangerous.

Will get some plans up later. Thanks
 
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Mr X

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By taking the middle cupboards out and having more floor space, it should be less of an issue and more of a feature. At least that's the plan!

Also the plan is now to have a fixed screen as don't really need a TV.
 
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Mr X

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Just looked at your pics again and found that step! odd they didn't just level out the floor.

Have you decided on what equipment you'll be using?
Taken months thinking about kit!

Initially I was looking at BIG floor standers and I'm a big PMC and B&W fan.
However after months of researching and planning, I then decided that I really want to keep the room minimalist and hide the speakers.

Thought about customised in walls but in the end I'm now going for some Artcoustics.

Couldn't find too much about them on the web or this forum but what I did find made me want to audition and lets just say I was blown away, literally! From being sceptical to counting the days until they arrive!

The Kit (so far!)

3 x Artcoustic spitfire 6-3's
2 x Artcoustic Diablos
Artcoustic Spitfire Sub
Onkyo 818 AV Amp
Sony 790 Blu ray player
JVC X55 Projector/w 3D pack
Screen Excellence 4k Screen
Fibre Optic HDMI Cable (4k compat)
3 x Rako RLED50
2 x Rako RDL250
Rako RCS07-SS keypad
Rako Bridge
Sky HD, Gaming consoles, Apple TV and possibly Sonos (Onkyo has it built in so will play with that first)

In my current lounge I've got an ArcamAVR600 and some B&W's. Was tempted to use the Amp (as I love it) but apart from it not being 3D, the Onkyo will provide more customising and sonic adjustments in the room.

4k or not 4k?

Now without opening a huge debate on 4k or straight to 8k :p, I want my room NOW :) so I've decided to spend as much as I can on the Projector and Screen and go as "future proof" as possible with these and the cabling. The screen has only recently been announced and is capable of 4k. The Onkyo and Sony both upscale to 4K (I'll be using a 4k capable fibre HDMI) and my thoughts are that the Amp and DVD can easily be upgraded in the future and won't break the bank now :smashin:
 
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Mr X

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End single cupboards removed and replaced with Double Cupboards. Doors off and will be sent to an upholsterer. Need to repave the hard gloss finish with something softer.

Big ugly radiator removed! Pipes to be shifted along in wall to the end and replace with vertical (designer rad)

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Mr X

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will be running 2 spare ethernet Cat6 to projector (just in case!) and the Celerity Fibre Optic HDMI.

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Obvious statement for fibre optic BUT....... this stuff is thin!:eek: :thumbsup:


Specification of Celerity Fibre Optic HDMI cables

Supported distance up to 305m
Supported resolutions 3D, 4K, 1080p, 720p, 480p
Supported features HDMI High Speed, HDCP, EDID, CEC, Deep Colour
Audio Return Channel: Yes
LED status indicator at TX & RX HDMI connectors, powered LED verifies system connectivity
Power TX: 5V DC 0.5W, RX: 5V DC 0.5W
Fibre optic cable pull strength 26kg
Fibre optic plug dimension 7 x 9 x 25 mm
HDMI connector dimension 8 x 20 x 28 mm
 
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Dean

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Nice work in progress, you certainly have enough space to work with and it will all be worth it once completed. :thumbsup:
 

Orson

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Certainly an interesting thread, has the potential to be fantastic.

With the step down, did you consider putting a false floor to fill in? I see you were keeping the cupboards, so you'd need to lose a bit off the bottom of the doors, but if they're being upholstered anyway, an ideal time. That way, you have potential for lots of cables etc hidden underfloor, but with access if you left a panel.

Just a thought.
 

Mr X

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Cheers for your comments Orson

Yep certainly did think about the levelling the step out and as you say, would certainly be the best time to do it. However wanted to do some subtle light effects around the room and thought some LEDs hidden into the step would make a nice feature and hopefully more "theatre like". I hope so anyway!

The steps been more of an issue because of its very sharp edge with the porcelain tiles. Haven't quite decided what sort of trim will go across the lip but as it's going to now be think carpet I hoping I've gone for the right option.

With the wires, I hoping there won't be a single one in sight. The rears will be chased through walls then into the ceiling along with the projector wires and all should then dome down the existing front wall where the centre cabinets used to be and will then be hidden by the fixed screen and then into an AV cabinet.

Thanks again for your comments and suggestions.
 

sta99y666

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Mr X said:
Cheers for your comments Orson

Yep certainly did think about the levelling the step out and as you say, would certainly be the best time to do it. However wanted to do some subtle light effects around the room and thought some LEDs hidden into the step would make a nice feature and hopefully more "theatre like". I hope so anyway!

The steps been more of an issue because of its very sharp edge with the porcelain tiles. Haven't quite decided what sort of trim will go across the lip but as it's going to now be think carpet I hoping I've gone for the right option.

With the wires, I hoping there won't be a single one in sight. The rears will be chased through walls then into the ceiling along with the projector wires and all should then dome down the existing front wall where the centre cabinets used to be and will then be hidden by the fixed screen and then into an AV cabinet.

Thanks again for your comments and suggestions.
Hi, if the tiles are staying then I guess the smooth edge (gripper rods) will be stuck with Morales or Gripfill, just make sure they are cut to 6" strips and double banked (two rows) unless of Course this beautiful floor is being ripped up?
Gonna be a fab room no doubt about it.
 

Mr X

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Hi, if the tiles are staying then I guess the smooth edge (gripper rods) will be stuck with Morales or Gripfill, just make sure they are cut to 6" strips and double banked (two rows) unless of Course this beautiful floor is being ripped up?
Gonna be a fab room no doubt about it.
Thanks for the tip!
Yeah the tiles will be carefully preserved and fully intact underneath underlay and thick carpet - just in case! You can't tell from the pics but they really are lovely (and shiny!) as is the tiled skirting. In some ways its a great shame to get rid as they also flow into the hallway, (main entrance) kicthen and utility (door at rear)

It took me a looooong time to convince Mrs X that this was the right way to go. Although I could have got a big rug, it just would have been a greater shame not to make the most of this opportunity and address the room acoustically.
 

sta99y666

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Mr X said:
Thanks for the tip!
Yeah the tiles will be carefully preserved and fully intact underneath underlay and thick carpet - just in case! You can't tell from the pics but they really are lovely (and shiny!) as is the tiled skirting. In some ways its a great shame to get rid as they also flow into the hallway, (main entrance) kicthen and utility (door at rear)

It took me a looooong time to convince Mrs X that this was the right way to go. Although I could have got a big rug, it just would have been a greater shame not to make the most of this opportunity and address the room acoustically.
I personally would look at maybe cloud 9 underlay or even some of the Tredaire rubber backed, rubber backed is good acoustically but I feel your current floor is very dense due to the tiles layed on concrete? so the Cloud 9 would suit, try not to get underlay over 11mm thickness as this sits higher up than the gripper, which in turn makes the carpet less likely to hold on the gripper.
As the tiles are shiny you may have a little trouble getting the Gripfill etc... To get a firm adhesion. Double bank gripper all round so you get a good fix.
Gripfill or No nails give 24hrs to cure but Morales is useable within the hour.
Carpet fitter by trade, no longer a full time job but still keep my hand in.

Subscribed to follow.
All the best bud.

Darrell
 

sta99y666

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Mr X said:
Well I'm sure glad you saw my thread! Thanks for the top advice! Well defo be asking all the relevant questions now when I come to choosing the carpet! Thanks again Darrell, much appreciated!
No prob mate :)
 

Mr X

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The 2 entrance doors will have new upholstery with a soft fabric finish to match the cupboards.

The door to the shower room will be completely renewed with a flush fit in attempt to hide/blend in with wall covering.

The other job today was to measure all skirting in order to make new covers which will then be spray painted the same colour as door frames. Bit late tonight so will post some pics of those tomorrow.

Door to main entrance...

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Cloakroom door which will be replaced - frame no longer needed as will flush mount

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Mr X

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:mad:Hit the first problem today :(

Had planned to turn the big ugly radiator into a vertical feature piece by running the pipes into the wall and chasing along. Unfortunately, stripping back the plaster board revealed that there just wasn't the depth needed unless it goes into the external brickwork of an outside wall :(

Not only would this add time/money but more importantly with it being an external wall, even with lagging I would worry about it freezing.

So, going to have to go for a horizontal to replace the huge 1.8m rad that was removed. Really did want a vertical but will now look for a slimmer and low profile option. Needs to be slim as the seating I've ordered is massive!


Skirting

As mentioned previously tiled skirting to be replaced. Whoever did them, did a great job and shame to cover them but should be worth it in the end. Won't be fitted just yet but all the panels now cut and labelled up to fit like so...

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The above shows a close up of the step. Will come back to that when the LED's have been inset.

With the centre stack of cupboards removed there is now and 15mm difference with tiled flooring (not shown) which will have to be built up and levelled.

One of the first things I did when I moved in was to pay an installer (not Sky!) to do a very discreet Sky install into the room. Have to say he was brilliant, Sky wouldn't do the install anyway due to the pitch of my roof but in short I have a dish on the roof hidden by the chimney (very hard to see) and not a single wire in sight (externally or internally. Did I mention I hate seeing wires! :p) feeding 3 1TB boxes which in turn then feed all around the house via HD ethernet baluns in the loft. Anyway - Left the cable very long at the time until I had decided on room layout, so this now works perfectly for the AV cabinet.

There was already a PIR/CCTV camera in the garage, pic below. It's all linked into the alarm and CCTV system so will keep this in situ and just hide the cabling as doesn't really cause any issues and quite handy as I can use iPhone/ipad to see what the kids are up to when I'm not there! ;)

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Ready for lots of cabling and holes tomorrow!
 
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Mr X

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OK very busy days of holes in the ceiling and lots and lots of cables...

(Sorry pics were taken with my iphone today so bit blurred or squashed in places)

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Outlet and wires ready for the JVC X55
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One of the rears

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Just Hit Second Issue

OK if you look carefully at this pic you will see the speakers and sub drawn out along with the AV cabinet and the outline of the screen.

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Having checked the spec of the sub, it's a whopping 30KG :eek: and bit worried that existing wall is just not going to take it. It's touch and go at very best.

So bit more work required now that wasn't anticipated. Going to get 2 MDF panels cut and bolster onto the front. That way no issue or future issues as sub will be rock solid.
 
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Mr X

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Lighting

Rako at front and rear entrance (Sorry bit blurred!)

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The existing yellow halogen spots in ceiling will be replaced with Satin finish directional white LEDS to match the Rako switches. Unbelievable when they were first switched on - makes such a difference to the lighting in there. (Room has no windows at all)

Fortunately all the existing spots were nicely centred and just needed the holes enlarged for the new directionals.

As the two cupboards that remain will be (hopefully!) disguised with soft fabrics (velvet) have decided to add two smaller down lighters to each to illuminate the front panels. Bit of an after thought but with all the the holes being cut and cables being rodded through it seemed a good idea to do and add now.

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All lighting will be controlled by the Rako via iPad or wall switches.

That's it for day 3.
 
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Orson

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Nice to see you're keeping yourself busy!

With regards to the radiator, I take it you don't want to disturb the existing tiled floor, even though you're covering it?

If not, have you considered extending the pipework from one side? I know that would mean surface mounted pipework, but if you run it at skitring level, and if you used chrome plated copper (like this), it would look more 'intentional', and depending on the type of rad you install, could even look like part of it?

At lease it wouldn't protrude into the room as much as a rad.
 

sta99y666

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Orson said:
Nice to see you're keeping yourself busy!

With regards to the radiator, I take it you don't want to disturb the existing tiled floor, even though you're covering it?

If not, have you considered extending the pipework from one side? I know that would mean surface mounted pipework, but if you run it at skitring level, and if you used chrome plated copper (like this), it would look more 'intentional', and depending on the type of rad you install, could even look like part of it?

At lease it wouldn't protrude into the room as much as a rad.
Box section the pipe work then skirting over...... just a thought, you would never know its there.
 

Mr X

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Thanks for your comments guys. Did think about that option but quite like the look of the "Circolo Nero" Black Landscape Designer Radiators and also means I don't need to get a plumber in to do all the extra pipework.

Looked at the dimensions on the sofa and think most of it will be hidden anyway and its nice and slim :)
 

Orson

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Thanks for your comments guys. Did think about that option but quite like the look of the "Circolo Nero" Black Landscape Designer Radiators and also means I don't need to get a plumber in to do all the extra pipework.

Looked at the dimensions on the sofa and think most of it will be hidden anyway and its nice and slim :)
I do like the black polypropylene rads, not only do they look the business, but they must be a better bet long term any way.
 

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