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Discussion in 'Home Cinema Building DIY' started by mark.carline, Mar 24, 2004.

  1. mark.carline

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    I thought I would start a thread on here to show a few people what I have been doing with my home cinema. I also thought it would be of use to a few people I have been emailing that are doing something similar....

    I currently have planned for this room the following:

    1) Installation of a Sony VPL-VW10HT projector on the ceiling
    2) Use of a LMP PC projector mount from www.lmp-pc.co.uk
    3) Installation of a Futronix P100 2 way remote control programmable lighting dimmer (see http://www.futronix-info.com/p100.htm ).
    4) All speaker and projector cables not visible (behind plaster or under floorboards).
    5) All cables terminated to gold plated connections on white faceplates
    6) Electronic projection screen (controlled by the Sony projector trigger output).
    7) Victorian Cast Iron Fireplace (to give the room a focal point when not in use as a cinema).
    8) 4 x Art Deco Cinema style (maybe) wall lights.
    9) 15m rope light round the room to give that cinema effect - See http://www.futronix-info.com/Sofitel.htm )
    10) Home made 500Watt Sub
    11) Wired for Cat 5 (512MB ADSL Router) and Sky Plus.
    12) Two chairs (would love a Lazyboy from www.lazyboy.co.uk but budget may not allow!)
    13) All work done so that the room can be converted back into a normal room (just incase we decide to use it for anything else).

    ...and all trying to keep "her indoors" happy with the way the room looks.

    I'll post pictures on here when I make progress....
     
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    before I started working on the room......
     

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    Got the futronix P100 fitted...
     

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    Speaker, projector, power, CAT5 and Sky Plus sockets fitted...
     

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    Got the fireplace (and a big hole in the wall)...
     

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    Managed to get some cheap 25mm MDF from B&Q that they can cut to size for 50p a cut. Holes cut and routed out for speaker and amp....
     

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    Looking good, keep us updated with progress, looking forward to seeing the finished article.
     
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    Thanks...

    well...

    1) Fire place is in
    2) Speaker cables pulled though and burred behind walls
    3) Walls sanded and covered in lining paper.

    Next things are:

    1) Paint ceilings
    2) Decide how to hide the rope light behind the picture rail
    3) Choose the wall lights
    4) Fix the projector mount to the ceiling
     

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    Mark.

    I am following your thread with interest as I am about to embark on a similar project. Could you please let me know what the room dimensions are.

    Ty
     
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    Sure !

    10 foot wide by 12 foot length
     
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    heres what I did with the speaker connections for the front and rear surround connections

    1) Two way gold plated speaker binding posts from maplins
    2) Soldered onto cable and channel down the wall
    3) Plastered into wall ready for further filling

    1)
     

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    3)

    p.s. The exposed soldered connections where covered in electrical tape first...
     

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    and then after filling, wallpapering with lining paper and a 1st
    coat of paint you can just still see the holes for the banana plugs
     
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    see..
     

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    The 2m wide 16x9 ratio electronic screen from ellie.co.uk (Advantage 200 has arrived!)....
     

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    Great thread :smashin:

    Looking forward to more pics & details. Well done.

    :smoke:
     
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    I'll post some pictures up here later but i've managed to work out how i'm going to hide the rope light around the room.

    I wanted to use the rope light all the way round the room at picture rail height for that cinema reflected effect (ie I want all the light to come off the ceiling and I dont want to see it directly. The light will be controlled via the Futronix P100 dimmer which can handle a maximum of 300W per channel (the P100 supports two channels).

    B&Q sell 10m and 5m lengths of rope light that can be joined together with an "allways on" power cable (didnt think that flashing rope lights would look any good somehow!).

    The total length of the room (i.e. all four walls) comes to exactly 15m all the way round so I got the 10m and 5m rope lights above from B&Q. I have also purchased three bits of wood as follows:

    1) B&Q 18mm x 18mm square wood
    2) B&Q Standard picture rail (they only have one type).
    3) B&Q 18mm x 18mm scotia beading (designed for wood flooring).

    I then did the following:

    a) Fixed the 18mm x 18mm square wood to the wall using rawl plugs and screws
    b) Glued and pinned the scotia beading to the underside of the square wood.
    c) Glued and screwed the picture rail to the front of the square wood where the bottom of the picture rail is the buttom of the square wood.

    If you work it out this then the hight difference between the square 18mm wood and the hight of the picture rail leaves a gap behind the picture rail where the rope light can fall into (the rope light is around 14/15 mm thick).

    Kind of like this:

    OO|++
    OO|++
    ##|+
    ##|
    xx/
    x/
    x

    where:

    O = Rope light
    |+ = Picture rail
    x/ = Scotia beading
    # = square wood


    The power cable to the rope light has been fed down from the ceiling in a plasic trunking which has then been plastered over, filled, wallpapered etc....

    I'll try and post a picture of its profile to try and explain what I have done.

    p.s. To ensure that the rope light doesnt overheat I will be programming the Futronix P100 to control this rope light to a certain maximum brightness for the rope light and for further safety I also will be fitting a fused switched socket in the loft with a 3amp fuse.
     
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    Well I am wellllllll pleased...!!

    Just tested the hidden rope light now that the ceiling is finished.

    The futronix P100 works great when it dims up and down....
     

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    That looks excellent! You're making me feel very inadequate (in DIY realms ;)). Are you doing all this by yourself?
     
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    yep and its taking ages !!...
    :boring: :boring: :boring: :boring:
     
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    Looks great. I wish I had thought of something like that, I just went for poxy flush fit ceiling lights.

    Check out LMP for your projector mount, very high quality piece of kit for not very much money, will look great in your room. ( check out my site in my sig for some pics )

    Although, I get the feeling from the quality of your DIY work that you may be thinking of hiding your PJ in a box, or a motorised platform that drops out of the ceiling? I am assuming small projectors here, are you going CRT?

    Can you dim those lights from an ordinary dimmer or do you have to have this futronix gizmo?

    Looking forward to the finished product - keep up the good work.
     
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    Check out the first page of this thred and you'll see that i have purchased a LMP projector mount and will be fitting it soon!....

    The only problem I have is that I have misscalculated the length of the projector mount and I have heard that LMP will swap their projector mount for any other type for free (I just need to pay for postage). I need to try and ensure that after I have fitted the screen the level of the top of the screen is horizontal with the middle of the lens to ensure that I dont need to use digital keystone. **TIP** when buying a screen and projector mount make sure you get your screen first and fitted and your happy with its height *BEFORE* you order your projector mount.

    I would love to do this but my one of my original design goals was to ensure that I dont do anything too permenant as to prevent the room being turned back into a normal room at some point in the future. The other main problem with boxing in a projector is that normal air flow can be restricted which isnt good for the blub.

    I could have fitted a normal double dimmer switch (from B&Q) but I saw a Futronix P100 dimmer switch going second hand on eBay for £50 and considering that they are normally £190 I thought I would be rude not to !. The futronix also comes with a remote which can then be used to programme one of those all in one remotes (another future project!). If anyone is considering using a normal dimmer you should be careful as to the wattage as the rope light I have used is (100W+150W)=250W which works out to be around 1 to 2 amp of current.
     
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    Have to say, mark, that your room looks superb and not dissimilar to the size and layout of my front room that I have earmarked for a projector.

    Will you have a normal TV in the room anywhere and does the PJ screen hang and cover the fireplace to any extent when in place? Will the fire be used at all or is it decorative?

    What have you used to do all the cable channelling? And have you just used filler to go over the channels rather than get a plasterer in? What is your plan for the overall look of the room i.e. are you doing any built in storage for equipment/dvd's etc or will you be using open racks? What will you be doing with the flooring?

    Sorry for all the questions but my rooms is so similar that any tips I can glean(sp) from your experience will be invaluable!
     
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    No - The living room has the TV in it and this room will just have a projector and screen. The projector screen when its fitted will hang just infront of the fireplace and down down over it by approx 30cm.

    With the projector being installed where it is, it will not really be possible to have a real fire in the fireplace but as fitting a fireplace is a bit more permenant that screwing a projector screen to the ceiling I have fitted the fireplace correctly so it can be used as a real fire in the future if needed. The manual for the screen said that it should not be installed over heating - The screen will start to warp if you do !!

    I have dug a channel approx 2-3 inches wide and then burred cables covered by plastic plaster trunking nailed to the walls. Then I plastered over the walls with plaster and then I seriously recommend getting some POLLYFILLER "skimming plaster" from B&Q which can be used to get a perfect flat finish and its dead easy to sand over (watch the dust though!!) The walls are then also sanded, wallpapered with 1000 grade lining paper, filled, sanded and then two coats of paint to get it perfect (you'll see every bump with the lighting i'll be fitting!)

    I used four cables for the projector:

    1) Profigold 10m SVideo cable
    2) Compose Video Cable (from maplins)
    3) Two runs of 6m cable from www.hificables.co.uk, see:

    http://www.hificables.co.uk/Product...D/2382/v/2fef6861-2ca1-46d1-b208-f5f202445f98

    I am trying to make it look very minimalistic with very little furnature (perhaps two chairs!). The hifi stuff may only consist of a HTPC for all source music and films. The SKY box will also be in this room but i'm not sure if i'll get Sky plus yet.

    Trying to get some heavy underlay with a thick heavy duty wool carpet to deaden the sound as much as possible.
     
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    Top job - will be keeping an eye to see how it progresses, the big difference I have is that mine needs to be used as a living room aswell :(
     
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    Sorry, missed the first page somehow? ( LMP mount )

    Qaulity piece of kit, would'nt you agree? Certainly makes you wonder how the other mount companies can charge so much, at least double LMP. Looking at pictures of other mounts, they don't look anything speciall either.

    The rope lighting that you have used, can that be used outdoors? I am building a deck at the weekend and thought those rope lights would look good if I ran the deck boards a little over the carcass and then hid the light just underneath the front of the deck. Creating a sort of skirt.

    You mention you need an 'always on' power cable to stop them flashing. What exactly is this, and can you get it from B&Q?

    Cheers.....keep up the good work.
     

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