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My Dream cinema realised !!!

Discussion in 'Members DIY Home Cinema Showcases' started by BruceH, May 2, 2005.

  1. BruceH

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    I've been putting this cinema together now for about 10 years.

    First attempt:
    Receiver: Denon AVR2800 5.1
    Digital satellite: Sky
    DVD Player: Pioneer DV717
    CD Megachanger: Sony CDP-CX450
    CD Controller: s-linke + girder
    MP3: PC + girder + LCD-Matrix Orbital USB Display
    TV: Amstrad 28" widescreen
    Speakers: B&W 601 & 602 & CC6
    Subwoofer: Yamaha YST-80
    Lighting: Timeguard RLS010 (IR dimmer)
    Remote Control: Marantz RC5000i

    I then convinced my father in law to take all this off my hands, which gave me chance to go for............

    Second attempt:
    Receiver: Denon AVR-3802 7.1
    Digital Satellite: Sky+
    DVD: Pioneer DV-747A (SACD & DVD-A)
    MP3: Squeezebox G
    Television: Hitachi 28" widescreen
    Speakers: Monitor Audio Silver 8i, 10i, fxi
    Subwoofer: Yamaha YST-80
    Lighting: Timeguard RLS010
    Remote Control: Marantz RC5200

    I was happy with the sound (other than the sub), but desperately wanted a projector.

    The room had chandelier type lighting which had to go (replaced by halogens). An electrical designer friend of mine did all the drawings, got the electricians in, got the plasterer in, got the decorator in, got the screen & projector in!!!

    Third Attempt
    Screen: Electric Othello 7ft 16:9
    Projector: infocus Screenplay 5700
    Receiver: Denon AVR-3802
    MP3: Squeezebox 2
    Digital Satellite: Sky+
    DVD: Pioneer DV-747A
    Television: Dboss LT-26HLF 26" LCD
    Speakers: Monitor Audio Silver 8i, 10i, fxi
    Subwoofer: REL Stampede
    Lighting: Futronix P400 (4 channel scene controller)
    Remote Control: Marantz RC9200

    Upgraded a few components:

    The End result:
    Screen: Electric Othello 7ft 16:9
    Projector: infocus Screenplay 5700
    Receiver: Denon AVR-4306
    Games: XBox 360 + HD-DVD Drive
    NAS: Netgear ReadyNas NVX
    Media Streamer: Western Digital WDTV Live
    MP3: Logitech Squeezebox 3
    MP3: Logitech Squeezebox Boom
    Digital Satellite: Sky+
    DVD: Denon DVD-3910
    Television: Dboss LT-26HLF 26" LCD
    Speakers: Monitor Audio Silver 8i, 10i, fxi
    Subwoofer: REL Stampede
    Lighting: Futronix P400 (4 channel scene controller)
    Remote Control: 2 x Marantz RC9200 + Squeezebox Controller + iPhone (iPeng)

    Need a few finishing touches (stand for center, neaten up speaker cables on front speakers............ etc.)

    but other than that, I am over the moon with the setup and couldn't wait to share it with you all !!

    Update: (Jan-06)
    Receiver: Denon AVR-4306
    MP3: Squeezebox 3

    Update: (Apr-06)
    Games Console: Xbox 360 (photos to follow)
    TV now wall mounted.

    Update: (May-06)
    DVD Player: Denon DVD-3910 (photos to follow)

    Added a wall mount to the TV, as the Diboss TV does not have a VESA mounting, I would have only had about 1 bracket to select and surprise surpise it was expensive.
    Luckily a friend of mine was able to fashion an aluminium adaptor plate for the TV to fit a standard bracket.
    Lucky side effect was that the bracing pieces will support the power adaptor so I could tidy up the cables.
    Just need to fix it more permenantly as it fell on my foot today ;-)

    Update: (July-06)
    Video Server: Infrant ReadyNAS NV

    Added a 1TB RAID-X NAS (file server), should allow me to experiment with ripping my DVD's and accessing them through "My Movies" from my Media Center.
    Will do a full pictures update soon.

    update: (Dec-06)
    Had a new cabinet made that fits the equipment with enough room for ventilation.
    Also bought an HD-DVD Drive for the X-Box360.

    Update: (Dec-08)
    Added a Squeezebox Boom + Squeezebox Controller - wireless network mp3 player for the kitchen.
    Thought it was faulty, but turned out that it was the socket that had a loose wire !

    Update: (Feb-09)
    Eek! Projector broken - Power button and power LED are flickering white and it won't power up!!!
    Help !!! - Got projector power supply fixed, all OK !

    Update: (Feb-10)
    Upgraded by ReadyNas NV+ to a ReadyNAS NVX and added a Western Digital WDTV Live Media Streamer

    Update: (Nov-10)
    Major HD Upgrade.
    Added a Optoma HD82 Projector
    Denon AVR 4311 Receiver
    Panasonic DMP-BD65 Blu Ray Player
    + iPad + iPhone for control
     

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    A very nice and discreet arrangement for the most part - I think that your projector screen disappears particularly well although I can imagine it being more obvious "in the flesh".

    Is that a dedicated room or combined within your living room? :)
     
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    Thankyou.
    The screen retracts into a casing put together by a guy from work. It's made from flatpack furniture spares believe it or not.

    After much deliberation about what colour to paint the casing (ceiling colour / wall colour), we went for ceiling colour (white) and I think that was the right choice. The box does blend in very well with the wall.

    This is combined with our living room, hence the need for the screen to disappear.

    I cheated a little on the photos, in that I took my current TV out of shot.
    It is a monster 28" CRT and is way too big for the front right corner I was planning to put it in.

    That's why I feel the need for an LCD TV, for casual TV watching.

    I am also very pleased with the lighting setup.

    I have 12 halogens in the ceiling, 3 across, 4 along.
    The centre row is on channel 1 or the dimmer, the two outside rows on channel 2.
    Then I have 2A lamp sockets in each corner, the front ones on channel 3, and the back ones on channel 4.
    This gives a fantastic array of "moods".

    Only came across one problem, all the halogens were originally 50W.
    However the dimmer only handles 300W per channel and 8 x 50W > 300W !!
    Left the centre row with 50s and switched the outer rows to 35W.
    Balance up the levels with the dimmer for most scenes and put them on full whack for the super-bright scenes.
     
  4. BruceH

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    Which parts did you not think were nice & discreet ??
    (or am I reading too much into your comments - paranoia)

    * Lack of a projector lift?
    * front speaker cables need tidying?
    * something else?

    Just curious if you had suggestions for improvement.

    Cheers,
    Bruce.
     
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    Just the usual speakers being visible on the walls and the black tends to show up quite well against the dark background. :)
     
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    Fair enough, can't argue with that.
    Someone suggested that I paint the rear speakers to match the walls and replace the speaker cloth with something light coloured.

    Personally I think that would look pretty nasty :-(
     
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    Hi BruceH. You had the same problem I had, along I suspect with a lot of other people - one room having to provide 2 functions which are not necessarily mutually compatable. Think it looks a fine job.

    Harry
     
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    That really is a very nice and tidy looking set up. I tried to get my living room so that all the cables were invisible but didn't manage it with the rears. I really like the screen surround too.
     
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    Nice & neat... I like it.

    How have you found the Futronix lighting? I was thinking either this or Lutron.
    What made you go for Futronix?
     
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    I agree, it's always going to look a bit different so why make it look like you've tried to hide it? :)
     
  11. BruceH

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    Lutron stuff seemed very expensive.
    I considered Rako (This looks good for retro-fit as you don't need a neutral at the switch - in fact you don't need any wires at the switch).
    Switch is a radio device, battery powered.
    You place a receiver inline on each circuit.

    As I was doing a complete re-wire of the room this didn't matter to me.
    I could run a neutral to the switch, so basically I shopped on price.

    I bought it from letsautomate.com. - I think it was about £350.00

    I have my Marantz (Pronto) RC9200 setup to directly access each of the 20 scenes.

    I have programmed the scenes in groups as:

    ..............................DIM---------BRIGHT...
    ceiling....................1.........2.......3.......4
    ceiling + lamps.........5........6.........7........8
    All Lamps................9.......10........11.......12
    Front Lamps...........13........14........15.....16
    Rear Lamps............17.........18.......19......20

    Each scene has a dimmer level for each channel between 0 and 63.
    You can then globally lower and raise all lights whilst maintaining their relative dimness.

    Only thing you can't do, is dim one channel with a single button press.

    (unless there are remote codes that are not on the factory remote - unlikely as it is a huge remote)

    my only real complaint is that the LED display stays lit all the time.
    I would have liked it to switch off if no commands for a period of time.
     
  12. BruceH

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    I probably got it quite cheap (mates rates).
    Apparently the going rate for 1 halogen light supplied and fitted is about £50.

    I paid around £800 for everything.
    12 halogens
    4 lamp sockets
    9 speaker cables
    5 signal cables to projector
    fused spur power for screen & projector
    4 x cat 5 (1 for now, rest for later)
    3 x co-ax (sky+ & to TV)
    phone extension

    That didn't include filling the walls back in afterwards.
    I left that to the plasterer who was flattening my ceiling (it used to be Artex)
     
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    Bruce, are all your speaker cables permanatly plastered into the walls or are you able to remove them if desired?
     
  14. BruceH

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    They are not designed to be removed, but if I got really lucky they might come out. They are capped over with plastic, then plastered.
    The cable was a low smoke shielded two core speaker cable of some kind, hopefully I will never want/need to change it.
    My ears aren't golden !!

    All the ceiling work was done from inside the lounge (not through the floor above).
    As the ceiling was being plastered anyway, this seemed the simplest way. To lift the floor above would have affected 4 rooms.
     
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    I've added a few extra pictures:

    1) detail of screen casing, as a few people seem interested.
    2) Centre Speaker stand (created today by the same chap who made the screen casing)
    3) Squeezebox2 - 'cause I love it!!!
     
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    Hi Bruce,

    First post to the forum so I hope this is OK!

    I joined today to look for info on the SP5700 so was quite pleased to find your post since it shows me what I can expect to see.

    I'm a little concerned about the throw distances in my room so could you let me know what size screen and distance you've used? Also, any info on the things to watch out for with the SP5700 would be very helpful.

    Oh, and nice setup by the way. You've got me thinking about a controller for the lights now ... provided I can get it past the boss of course ! :eek:)

    Andy
     
  17. BruceH

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    Sorry for the delay, I'm on holiday in poland at the moment.
    From memory it is just over 5 metres from screen to lens.
    The screen is 7ft (width not diagonal)

    On the infocus website, there is a throw distance calculator.

    http://www.infocus.com/service/software/projcalc.asp?site_lang=1&site_region=1

    Haven't really had it long enough to pick up on the flaws yet.
    I would say that you should get the best bracket you can, as adjusting it exactly using the bracket I have is difficult.
    It is slightly tilted sideways (about 1/2 a pixel - noone notices except me!!)
    actually there is one thing, I have a HDMI-HDMI cable, plugged into a M1-DVI adaptor, this makes the plug too long to fit in the "cable hiding box" , we had to cut a piece out of the back so it would fit.

    Hope this helps, feel free to ask more questions !!

    Rgds,
    Bruce.
     
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    What a stunningly nice looking system, may have to nick a few idea off you.

    The only things i would have changed would have been placing the rears a bit higher.

    You really need to do something about the centre speaker. I can't see anyway around it though, unless you remove it when you aren't using it. Have you tried using a phantom centre.

    Saying all that my system may sound great (similar set up) but looks a mess, it would never survive a other half test.
     
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    Thanks, glad you like it - I love it !!!
    They were previously higher, but I wanted to bring them down to listening (ear) level.
    I have it on a different stand to the main picture, the sliver stand in the side pictures and I have the wires hidden in the stand.
    Believe me it is a lot smaller and intrusive than the 28" TV that used to be stood where it is. it has WAF so that's good enough for me.
    I haven't tried a phantom centre, but I don't think I would like it.
    My wife is incredibly tolerant, she survived speaker wires strung around the walls for a couple of years !!!
     
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    Superb looking set-up...gives me ideas for my HC (when it's built).

    As for the rears, nice to see someone who has the the speakers at that height. I have been trying to work out the best option on paper (mainly for the sparky) and I have been at odds whether to have them above ear height or further near the ceiling. I have KEF 'eggs' and not alot of room to negotiate so I have been wondering whether they would be too near ear height.

    Have you had any 'issues' with them at that height?
     
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    Originally I had them connected as bi-poles (I think that's what I mean - two faces out of phase). I then had each set alternately phased.
    This created a very diffuse sound field, but too diffuse for me.

    I have now have them as di-poles (two faces in phase) and all sets in phase.
    It sounds great to me !!!
     
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    What height did you eventually have all rears positioned then?
     
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    It is 120cm from the floor to the bottom of the speaker. Basically they are as low as they can be without people banging their heads on the surround left when they sit on the sofa.


    Sorry for the delay in replying, had to remember to measure it, then got distracted by MY WIFE HAVING A BABY !!!!


    If you like baby photos, you can see Sophie Anne at http://www.brucehartley.com/.
     
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    Thanks for that, not too far off the height of where my speakers are going.

    Just to be a complete pain, but what distance from the rear wall does your side speakers sit at? My HC will probably look alot like your set-up and in the pre planning stage I could do with all the advise I can get.

    Great photos of your new arrival...definately the proud dad!! :thumbsup:
     
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    Cn you tell me about the squeezebox? is it very good? sound etc? any drop out? it looks good.
     
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    It's great, all the information, including a very active forum community is at http://www.slimdevices.com/

    I get no dropouts at all, sounds quality is very good (audiophiles say it is comparable to some very expensive CD player - DAC combinations), assuming your source music is good.

    It can natively decode FLAC (lossless format), so is capable of very high quality playback.

    Hope that covers it.

    Rgds,
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    Just a quick update to mention a couple of recent upgrades.

    I've upgraded the receiver to the Denon AVR-4306.
    It's a great bit of kit for the gadget minded.

    Audessey room calibration.
    Network connection for network control of amp and MP3 playing from host PC (although I have the squeezebox for that)

    Talking of which the other upgrade is to a squeezebox 3, it is a cosmetic change but a good one I think.

    I've updated the pics on the main post to reflect the changes.

    Thanks for looking,
    Bruce.
     
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    A quick picture of the DVD cabinets I have just added to the lounge / cinema.
    (I've added it on the main post - and can't add it again here - or figure out how to link to it !!)

    Only £29.99 from Argos each !!

    each one holds 90 DVDs so I have a small amount of room for growth.

    Thanks for looking,
    Bruce.
     
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    Amazing looking room, that’s pretty much the set up I have always dreamed of.
     
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    When I was 18, I hadn't even started dreaming of this room.
    I dreamed of it for 10 years before I could make it a reality, so have patience.
    You're room looks pretty amazing at the moment anyway.

    Rgds,
    Bruce.
     

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