Discussion in 'Photography Forums' started by Johndm, Jul 6, 2005.
Well.....I just thought it was a bit quiet here...
That could be perceived as fighting talk in these parts.
Yeah but my Canon beats your Canon.
My Canon is only a little one - but size isn't everything.
God it is dead
Made me look thinking here we go again....Maybe we are all sick of eating our rubbish food according to that loser....
To take this a little further then (as I never really know how cameras work) what does make one digital camera better than another ? Is it down to software in the end or do optics still play the major part ?
A High end long zoom compact represents beter Value for money (and often results)than an entry level DSLR
I would probably say a bit of both - as my old finepix a201 didn't have what I'd call an optical lense (well ,compared to my canon g5!) - but I was able to take somegreat shots with that considering it was a point and shoot jobby...
The optics are certainly key - however the only real measure has to be the end result.
This is why myself and my friends rave about our FZ3's / Oly 765's etc - we simply are getting better results than some guys we know who own Canon DSLR's.....don't ask me why / how but that's the reality. In theory this shouldn't be happening but it is.
Just waiting for the usual "I agree" post from MattB1
My 'canon' beats all of yours
That's me in Mdina, Malta last year.
I'll be taking my new Nikon D70 there in a few weeks
Two can play at that game
Try this for size....
(I couldn't straddle this one!)
They don't come much bigger than this!
The 100 ton Rinella Canon, again Malta, last year.
Surprisingly, never fired a shot in anger even throughout WW2 !
Just for you JohnG
The lens/optics certainly play a major part, as does the person taking the picture.
But the manual control that a DSLR gives will always be superior to a compact and in the right hands, you won't beat a photograph (digital or film) from a SLR.
With most cameras anyone can take a half decent picture, but a really good photograph takes more skill and know-how with digital or film.
Yeah fancy seeing matt post after mike
You'd think they had the same IP adress or something
Now Now chaps - just because we share the same view.
Our opinion is only based on what we are seeing....the sad thing is the guys we work with using the DSLR's are experienced snappers as well !
The wedding pics posted earlier in the week by the guy with the 20D were superb...he obviously knows how to get the best from his kit.
What we're seeing is that not everyone else does.
As long as you don't give eachother high fives when you post we'll let you off
I assume you sit togather
Back on topic
Nothing beats something every time
I'm here again.
Yep - me and Mike work in the same team and sit close to each other. Obviously if he sees an interesting post he will flag it up to me or rhardaker who also works with us. Me, Mike and Rich (rhardaker) happen to share similar views on cameras, which is why we tend top post in agreement with each other. I also happen to sit opposite a DSLR owner and work with a number of other DSLR owners.
If you think arguments get interesting on AVForums you want to spend a couple of days in our office - it beats work
I think that statement hits the nail on the head IMO. They are only effective in the hands of people who know how to get the best from them.
We work in the same team - 3 of us own Excellent long zoom compacts, 2 own £1000+ DSLR's.........I don't need to tell you who are getting consistently the better results
Part of the work of our team is to benchmark (measure performance) of our company's software....as you can imagine we are keen to benchmark our camera's as well. Incredibly a £150 mju 400 (owner by another member of the team) gave by far the best result in our Macro test
That's fair enough guys but there's on one subject you both seem really interested in and little else
I mean who you trying to convince, nobody goes round telling people they've wasted there money on compacts ect, or anything else for that matter.
We could be forgiven for seeing your posts as trolling as there's not a great deal else you two post about.
I suppose it's because we never see any 'Oly 765 not working properly' or 'FZ3 / FZ5 focussing problems' posts on the forums.....
I often post on the new camera advice threads recommending the excellent Ixus range and post in the Camcorder forum.
I do NOT troll - I give a differening opinion based on what i've seen / experiecned.
All me and Matt B have ever said is that to get the best results from DSLR's the owners need to know what they are doing - unfortunately some don't seem to.
I post on this topic because it is a subject that I do have an interest in. A lot of threads state how much better SLR's are than compacts. I've never said otherwise but i'm still to be convinced in most situations. I keep hearing technical reasons for it but am yet to see many results that would convince me to buy a DSLR at this point in time. That's not to say that i'll never buy a DSLR. This is just my opinion. Also i've never told anyone on this forum that they have wated their money on a DSLR.
I'm not trolling - if peple don't like my posts don't read them or respond to them.
Many other topics on this forum are about DSLR's. I don't post on these beause I have no interest in what is the best lens or make of DSLR. Most other topics are about which camera somebody should buy. I avoid these as well because the answers have often been given numerous times before and could be found with a quick search.
And nor do many compact owners - what's your point?
Regarding the macro test - I assume that a) none of the DSLR owners were using a 1:1 macro lens or b) if they did that they don't know how to use one.
I'd say the correct statement here is - "cameras are only truly effective in the hands of people who know who to use them". What I don't understand is the sniping aimed at DSLR owners on a steeper learning curve than those with compacts. DSLR owners are by defition surely more likely to be trying to improve (and we all start knowing nothing remember) and thus post their efforts than P&S snappers.
My own personal take is that with DSLR's now becoming so affordable we're seeing the end of the "Prosumer" camera.
Perhaps you'd both like to have a go with a DSLR and see how you get on? Show us your results.
I can't see DSLR's ever taking over from compacts or prosumers. It's a different market. My Granny is never going to go on holiday and carry around a DSLR with her and a bag of lenses.
I'd quite happily have a go with a DSLR - lend me yours for a weekend and i'll post my results Maybe it'll convince me to get one.
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