My best value TVs, 2019-2020 Edition

hzd57

Novice Member
Thanks for the useful guide mate. I have a couple of questions that I don't think deserve a separate topic so I thought I'd ask here if it's alright?

- Are TCL products any good? Problem is I can't find much info about their global products, like P715 or C715 since they aren't sold in North America.

- Is Samsung TU8000 worth paying extra, when compared to Samsung TU7000? 50" TU7000 is about the same price as 43" TU8000 where I am, and it'd have a better chance of having a VA panel if I understand correctly. 50" TU8000 would make me go a bit out of budget.

Just fyi, if it'd make it easier to help me: I don't watch HDR like at all, and I don't even care for 4K (what I would actually like is a TV w/ good upscaling capability).

Any feedback is much appreciated, thank you all!
 

MaddyK

Novice Member
Hi. I'm new and utterly confused so hoping for some help!
My 10 plus year old Samsung LE37R88BDX has gone green and crackles like it is about to explode when it turns on so time for a new tv but I'm so out of touch with new technology now I need some help. As tv is on all day every day I thought I might spoil myself and go for a bigger screen and a few bangs and whistles so started looking at QLEDs and OLEDs but now terrified by reports of inability to set up Samsungs for Freeview on newer models and bad service and by reports of screen burn on OLEDs. Also confused that some older models seem to get better reviews than newer ones.
I don't currently have anything at all in the way of a tv package, I just have Freeview built in so in the first instance it is vital any tv I buy can tune that in! I don't have satellite dishes or any other boxes. My internet is BT fibre. I've always said I don't need 100s more channels and don;t want to buy Sky/Virgin, etc packages but I am being tempted by things like Netflix and the fact that there are phone/broadband/tv packages that seem cheaper than my BT broadband and phone plus include Netflix! I also accept I will have to be dragged screaming into the world of tv packages sooner rather than later.
I do not have any need for or interest in gaming.
As I don't intend to replace my tv every 5 mins I want something that is more advanced than what I currently have without being absolutely out of the world (so not interested in 8k!). I did start looking at some offers on QLEDs at £1499 (Q95t/Q90t) and an OLED-(Sony but don't know model number) which is not really what I want to pay-was hoping for more like £999ish but I was prepared to consider that. However I will now wait until at least after Black Friday and maybe longer as you suggest and watch prices as I have a backup tv I can use til then (don't worry not the Samsung which sounds like it is exploding)
Herein lies my next problem. Pretty much everything seems to be 55inches or above including the ones I mentioned above. Until I measured up in my lounge (which isn't small-c30ft x13ft something!) I had no idea quite how huge that is. Due to position of doors, windows, chimney breast I'm not sure I can fit a 55 inch in without blocking out half the bay window! No idea how any of you are fitting bigger tvs in your rooms unless you live in mansions or have no other furniture! Not keen to wall mount and get crick in neck looking up. Suppose I could just sit it on the floor instead of on a stand to reduce the height but not ideal.
I don't want to stick to 43inches but there seem very few 48/49/50 inch tvs about that are QLED/OLED. Do I take a risk on one of them even though not as much choice, maybe older models/not such tip top reviews or go for a 55inch giant and try to accommodate it somehow?
I don't have enough technical know how to answer all your questions re specifications but I can say that I obviously want to enjoy a good sharp picture with vibrant colours and HD where available and sound (happy to buy a soundbar if needed) and I do watch athletics and football so I don't want blurring or jarring motion. I watch during the day in natural daylight plus during the night with a light on.
I don't need to plug lots of extra things in. I usually view at a slight angle or straight on and varies from about 7-12ft distance mainly depending on where I am sitting at the time.
I plan to pay for the tv to be setup partly as that means if anything goes wrong the shop/manufacturer can't say it is me. Once set up though I don't mind playing with settings based on some of the adjustments suggested here and elsewhere.
I definitely don't want to be plagued by judder or screen burn or image retention and blurring round the edges would drive me mad. Anti reflective screen would be good.
Sorry for long post. Thanks for the useful tips I have already read about and hoping you can make some observations/recommendations on my dilemma!
 

Dodgexander

Moderator
May want to add these...

LG 49NANO85UNA
LG 55NANO85UNA
LG 49NANO866NA
LG 55NANO866NA
LG 55NANO90

Supports 4K 120Hz, 1440p 120Hz. ALLM, FreeSync.
Those are all 2020 models and may feature in my best buy guide of 2020-21 TVs. They have no place in this guide.
- Are TCL products any good? Problem is I can't find much info about their global products, like P715 or C715 since they aren't sold in North America.
Their European venture is different from America, the ones sold here in Europe are completely different. There may be one or two of there new TVs in my new guide, but it depends a lot on pricing. They tend to be more expensive than Hisense TVs of similar specs, so its often hard to recommend them.
- Is Samsung TU8000 worth paying extra, when compared to Samsung TU7000? 50" TU7000 is about the same price as 43" TU8000 where I am, and it'd have a better chance of having a VA panel if I understand correctly. 50" TU8000 would make me go a bit out of budget.
These are 2020 models whilst this guide is only 2019 models. You should wait for the new guide to see the best buys from new ranges. Right now its not good value to buy a 2020 model because of prices are quite high.

You may also notice a lack of Samsung models in this guide at sizes apart from 50", this likely won't change in the next guide either because of the games they play with different panels. You can see in the more info/faq section of the guide more about that.

@MaddyK I think you have jumped into the deep end a little before determining the type of TV that is best suited to you. You aren't alone with space constraints, which does mean you have a more dificult choice to make if you are shopping for a sub 55" TV. Take a moment to read the opening post of the guide and determine things like whether you are suited to an OLED TV or LCD TV, and if you come to the conclusion LCD, which panel type you prefer.

Here's the links for that which may help you:

Once you have an idea of which is suited to your conditions, your choice is easier. For example, if you like the sound of OLED technology, their only two 48" OLEDs to choose from. Both are 2020-21 models and are too expensive to recommend currently, but may be in my new best buy guide soon. As with all advice, its a bad time to presently shop for a TV unless you can find 2019-20 models in this guide still.

Btw, don't get tricked by marketing. A QLED is not a new display technology like OLED is. QLED is just a way of marketing LCD TVs by Samsung.
 
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transwest

Active Member
Hi MaddyK,
Firstly, how are you measuring your TV and TV space ? A 55" TV isn't 55" wide/long, it's measured corner to corner, which might make quite a difference to your space.
My room is a bit smaller than yours, but I'm moving up from a 55" to 65". Yep - it does go slightly across a corner window, but the curtain is always closed, and it serves my particular purpose.

Keep your eye on Dodgexander & you won't go far wrong.
 

jouster

Moderator
Seems look a great price if this actually pays off

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Dodgexander

Moderator
Seems look a great price if this actually pays off
For this time of year maybe, but it will probably drop close to 1k from other shops who have better service and bundle 5-6 year warranties if you wait and buy at the right time of year.
 

transwest

Active Member
Roughly, how much could we expect to save on Black Friday deals on TV's of around £2500 ?
 

Dodgexander

Moderator
Roughly, how much could we expect to save on Black Friday deals on TV's of around £2500 ?
Nothing is ever guaranteed and some drops happen later too. Look up what last years equivalent dropped to on pricespy.co.uk
 

Dalesdator

Novice Member
Hey. I don't know if this is the right thread, but I am looking to buy a new TV (after 12 years) and I believe I will, if there's not deal appearing of another brand that is too good to not go for, go for a Philips TV as I like the idea of Ambilight. I am basically watching about 60% programs and documentaries through Swedish public service, 20% football and around 20% netflix and such. I would say I care about quality in terms of picture, motion etc. but I also understand whatever choice I make will be a lot better than my 12 year old TV. So I don't just wanna buy the best and most expensive if it's only in special occasions I will really notice the difference.

I have been thinking a lot about Philips PUS9005 and right now it's around 1250 dollars in my country (Sweden). There is a deal until tomorrow at a retailer and they state it's 1100 dollar discount (I don't really know how true that is and the discounts in this business seem silly). I cannot really tell how good this TV is, and how good it is compared to others. I know it's got VA panels which I think I prefer (not from experience but only from what I've read, it's 70", it's got 4-sided ambilight. Right there my knowledge ends haha...
I have also been thinking about an OLED TV but I would want at least 65" I believe and i believe the OLEDs 65" won't be within my budget the coming months (1600 dollars limit ish). Apart from the 4-sided Ambilight I haven't really figured out either what's the difference between this TV and the lower Philips series (7 and 8), but I just imagine it's the same or slightly better (depending on panels ofc).

I would love if you, Dodgexander, would like to give me some input here, because I am really lost and also a little bit stressed as the deal disappears tomorrow. I have heard that you shouldn't buy until BF and I might wait until then but I am just very keen on buying a new TV and my gut feeling is this deal is good. Only obvious bad thing about it is that it's not the most beautiful TV I've seen, but I imagine I will get used to it (if i go for it ofc).

Thanks in advance, and sorry if this is the wrong thread for this topic.
 

Dodgexander

Moderator
Hey. I don't know if this is the right thread, but I am looking to buy a new TV (after 12 years) and I believe I will, if there's not deal appearing of another brand that is too good to not go for, go for a Philips TV as I like the idea of Ambilight. I am basically watching about 60% programs and documentaries through Swedish public service, 20% football and around 20% netflix and such. I would say I care about quality in terms of picture, motion etc. but I also understand whatever choice I make will be a lot better than my 12 year old TV. So I don't just wanna buy the best and most expensive if it's only in special occasions I will really notice the difference.

I have been thinking a lot about Philips PUS9005 and right now it's around 1250 dollars in my country (Sweden). There is a deal until tomorrow at a retailer and they state it's 1100 dollar discount (I don't really know how true that is and the discounts in this business seem silly). I cannot really tell how good this TV is, and how good it is compared to others. I know it's got VA panels which I think I prefer (not from experience but only from what I've read, it's 70", it's got 4-sided ambilight. Right there my knowledge ends haha...
I have also been thinking about an OLED TV but I would want at least 65" I believe and i believe the OLEDs 65" won't be within my budget the coming months (1600 dollars limit ish). Apart from the 4-sided Ambilight I haven't really figured out either what's the difference between this TV and the lower Philips series (7 and 8), but I just imagine it's the same or slightly better (depending on panels ofc).

I would love if you, Dodgexander, would like to give me some input here, because I am really lost and also a little bit stressed as the deal disappears tomorrow. I have heard that you shouldn't buy until BF and I might wait until then but I am just very keen on buying a new TV and my gut feeling is this deal is good. Only obvious bad thing about it is that it's not the most beautiful TV I've seen, but I imagine I will get used to it (if i go for it ofc).

Thanks in advance, and sorry if this is the wrong thread for this topic.
Philips are a bit behind when it comes to LCD TVs compared to other rival brands. They moved there high end TV production to OLEDs only, so the LCD TVs, even the 9 series are just low end models now.

So there's nothing really wrong with buying Philips, there LCD TVs are not any better or worse really than other brands but only if you are shopping for lower tier models.

That basically means the TV will be fine for regular non-HDR usage, but not for HDR. In this guide a TV like the 9 series LCD would fit in the low-range section. Philips LCD TVs this year are all also using only 60hz panels, so motion won't be great compared to other higher end TVs either.

I'd suggest instead buying an OLED from Philips. If you buy at the right time of year and get a good deal, you can get 65" models relatively cheap. Right now prices are still high, with Black Friday (approx a year from when I made this guide) being the very first time to even consider buying a TV.

If you can still find 2019 stock now, it may also be priced quite cheap. In the UK it wasn't long ago last year's Philips OLED754 was selling for £1500 at 65". - You'll find that TV in the high end section of this guide.
 

kingolympics

Active Member
I’m thinking of getting this for £299, for the bedroom. Appreciate it won’t be incredible. Can anyone say if they think it’s ok?

 

Dodgexander

Moderator
I’m thinking of getting this for £299, for the bedroom. Appreciate it won’t be incredible. Can anyone say if they think it’s ok?

Roughly the same as the B series recommended in this guide. Heres a comparison between 2020 and 2019: 2019-20/2020-21 range comparison.

With Black Friday round the corner, best to wait and see what deals come at that time, Xmas or Jan.
 

kingolympics

Active Member
Thank you!

that’s very helpful. It’s so hard to wait when you really need a tv but I think you’re right and I should wait for Black Friday at least
 

Dalesdator

Novice Member
Philips are a bit behind when it comes to LCD TVs compared to other rival brands. They moved there high end TV production to OLEDs only, so the LCD TVs, even the 9 series are just low end models now.

So there's nothing really wrong with buying Philips, there LCD TVs are not any better or worse really than other brands but only if you are shopping for lower tier models.

That basically means the TV will be fine for regular non-HDR usage, but not for HDR. In this guide a TV like the 9 series LCD would fit in the low-range section. Philips LCD TVs this year are all also using only 60hz panels, so motion won't be great compared to other higher end TVs either.

I'd suggest instead buying an OLED from Philips. If you buy at the right time of year and get a good deal, you can get 65" models relatively cheap. Right now prices are still high, with Black Friday (approx a year from when I made this guide) being the very first time to even consider buying a TV.

If you can still find 2019 stock now, it may also be priced quite cheap. In the UK it wasn't long ago last year's Philips OLED754 was selling for £1500 at 65". - You'll find that TV in the high end section of this guide.
Thanks for your input. Then I imagine the price (960£) being way too expensive for what you get with a Philips 9005 70", in comparison to other brands/Philips OLED? Is there a more affordable Philips OLED model that might drop to decent prices at BF or later this fall? I have been thinking about OLED754 previously. It was around 1400£ in Sweden for a while but unfortunately it's now around 1575£, which makes it feel less of a bargain.
 

Dodgexander

Moderator
Thanks for your input. Then I imagine the price (960£) being way too expensive for what you get with a Philips 9005 70", in comparison to other brands/Philips OLED? Is there a more affordable Philips OLED model that might drop to decent prices at BF or later this fall? I have been thinking about OLED754 previously. It was around 1400£ in Sweden for a while but unfortunately it's now around 1575£, which makes it feel less of a bargain.
The OLED754 is a 2019 model (with Philips, last digit is model year progression) if its still around for sales come Black Friday or later then it will probably get reduced again, prices fluctuate a lot.

It's not really been replaced in 2020, with the 8 series rather than 7 series (models ending with 5, like OLED835) so those would be the closest in price.

As for the value for money on that 70" LCD TV, its not fantastic, but not the worst either. Its a low range TV and 70" is a bit of a niche size nowadays so its not as competitive as similar spec TVs from other manufacturers at 65" and 75".

You'll have to make a decision on how much you value picture quality. If its more important you have a TV that sizes up exactly 70" than it is to have a TV that can display HDR to an impressive level, or a TV that has good motion, then its fine going for that model. But if you are looking for something that offers more future proofing, better overall picture quality and better HDR you need to think about a different brand LCD TV, or a Philips OLED.
 

Sho82

Member
I've finally found the thread I needed!!:D

I hope you're all well. I'm looking to pick up a 4KTV for the upcoming Xbox to replace my now ancient 32" Samsung TV I bought way back at the start of this console generation. I'm only looking to use the TV I buy now for a year at most and then upgrade to a flagship TV by the end of next year, however I have a limited budget of around £350-380. I've found several refurbished options for really cheap, such as the Hisense 'B' series which have 50" Roku 7120 models going for under £250 but the input lag seems way too high for semi competitive gaming (CoD and such), at a measured 40ms from one review (whilst another says 12ms after a quick google just now?). I've found a couple of the 'A' series Hisense models from the 2020 model year for around £380 for the 58" 7100. These apparently have around 10m/s input lag which is brilliant (website advertises as <20m/s anyway). I've still yet to decide to go with performance or absolute cheapest price.

My questions are,

I know HDR will be terrible on these TV's relative to the OLEDs and £700+ TV's, but would they add anything to the image at all once calibrated through the console or is it completely pointless? (specifically asking because the upcoming Xbox has a hardware assisted "autoHDR" feature which gets applied to all games via artificial intelligence trained tone mapping)

Does anyone expect any of the big brand budget TV's to drop below £400 on black Friday based on previous years or is it worth getting one of these cheap Hisense TV's ASAP before the cheap refurb deals go away?

Thanks in advance! :)
 

Dodgexander

Moderator
I know HDR will be terrible on these TV's relative to the OLEDs and £700+ TV's, but would they add anything to the image at all once calibrated through the console or is it completely pointless? (specifically asking because the upcoming Xbox has a hardware assisted "autoHDR" feature which gets applied to all games via artificial intelligence trained tone mapping)
Input lag in game mode is 12ms. Don't bother reading into input lag figures nowadays though, all TVs have low enough lag. It's a bit different to in the past when TVs were lacking game mode, and even if they had a game mode input lag was high.

As for HDR on cheap TVs, its best to treat them as strictly non-HDR models. AutoHDR has nothing to do with the tone mapping of existing games, and it also doesn't take into the consideration of the current nits output of your own TV. The only time you'll have any kind of decent experience with HDR on a cheaper TV is if the game supports toning down the peak brightness levels itself, and in those limited scenarios you'd want a TV that supports a wide colour gamut too which sadly the B7120 does not.
Does anyone expect any of the big brand budget TV's to drop below £400 on black Friday based on previous years or is it worth getting one of these cheap Hisense TV's ASAP before the cheap refurb deals go away?
You can never expect anything, but its the first time of year TVs deals are reasonable. This is why I made this guide in anticipation last year. I'll have a new one out in time this year too.

I'm not sure what you mean by the cheap refurb deals, but the B7120 hasn't really been replaced in Hisenses 2020 lineup. It uses Roku OS whilst the new A series so far is solely their own Vidaa system.
 

Dalesdator

Novice Member
The OLED754 is a 2019 model (with Philips, last digit is model year progression) if its still around for sales come Black Friday or later then it will probably get reduced again, prices fluctuate a lot.

It's not really been replaced in 2020, with the 8 series rather than 7 series (models ending with 5, like OLED835) so those would be the closest in price.

As for the value for money on that 70" LCD TV, its not fantastic, but not the worst either. Its a low range TV and 70" is a bit of a niche size nowadays so its not as competitive as similar spec TVs from other manufacturers at 65" and 75".

You'll have to make a decision on how much you value picture quality. If its more important you have a TV that sizes up exactly 70" than it is to have a TV that can display HDR to an impressive level, or a TV that has good motion, then its fine going for that model. But if you are looking for something that offers more future proofing, better overall picture quality and better HDR you need to think about a different brand LCD TV, or a Philips OLED.
I have actually come to change my mind, partly because of what you told me before. Thanks for that! I might have a refund for the TV I've ordered (Philips PUS9005 for 960 pounds). Thinking about either going for the 55 Philips OLED754 for 900£ or going for the 65 inch one, but it's not as discounted (around 1570 pounds at the moment). I am a bit worried about buying the 55 inch as I feel it might be a bit too small (i sit around 2,7-3,2 metres away) and therefore be a less immersive experience than the bigger model.

Is the OLED754 still good value for money for these prices in your opinion? I won't be able to buy a higher-end model (at least not a 65 inch one which I prefer).
 

Dodgexander

Moderator
Is the OLED754 still good value for money for these prices in your opinion? I won't be able to buy a higher-end model (at least not a 65 inch one which I prefer).
At your distance you definitely want to go bigger, the price of the OLED754 at 1570 is actually very good, and about as cheap as a 65" OLED has been historically. It's a very good deal, and probably will only be met by the LG BX when its price drops to a similar amount (usually each year B series drops to around 1500 in spring).
 

Dalesdator

Novice Member
At your distance you definitely want to go bigger, the price of the OLED754 at 1570 is actually very good, and about as cheap as a 65" OLED has been historically. It's a very good deal, and probably will only be met by the LG BX when its price drops to a similar amount (usually each year B series drops to around 1500 in spring).
Alright! This purchase will primarily be for my parents since I'm moving in half a year or so, and they are not technical at all and they need it to be rather simple when it comes to settings and so. Is this TV, after some tweaking rather self-going or might you probably have to adjust the settings pretty often?

Also I am a little bit worried about burn-ins, especially since I am trying to convince my parents to actually go for this TV instead of a cheaper option. Is that something to be worried about or shouldn't there be a problem with normal use? (Not same news show everyday for hours and such).

Thanks for your reply btw, the TV sounds really promising.
 

Dodgexander

Moderator
Alright! This purchase will primarily be for my parents since I'm moving in half a year or so, and they are not technical at all and they need it to be rather simple when it comes to settings and so. Is this TV, after some tweaking rather self-going or might you probably have to adjust the settings pretty often?

Also I am a little bit worried about burn-ins, especially since I am trying to convince my parents to actually go for this TV instead of a cheaper option. Is that something to be worried about or shouldn't there be a problem with normal use? (Not same news show everyday for hours and such).

Thanks for your reply btw, the TV sounds really promising.
It's about as basic as you'll get from a TV nowadays, doesn't use the advance smart system as their 8 series TVs running their own basic Saphi OS. You won't need to adjust settings more than any TV.

You'll have to explain to them how burn in can occur, so they understand what causes it. If its too much trouble for them just go for an LCD TV instead. If your parents are like mine they won't really care so much either way :)
 

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