My best TVs for next gen gaming 2020-21

Xabi17

Active Member
Hi Dodge, thanks for the comprehensive and helpful thread. I wondered if you had seen this thread and wondered if you had an opinion (seems as though the consensus might just be "some people are more sensitive to this than others" but curious as to how some people can find gaming performance so terrible whereas others wax lyrical about the TV).

 

Dodgexander

Moderator
Hi Dodge, thanks for the comprehensive and helpful thread. I wondered if you had seen this thread and wondered if you had an opinion (seems as though the consensus might just be "some people are more sensitive to this than others" but curious as to how some people can find gaming performance so terrible whereas others wax lyrical about the TV).

The answer already has been mentioned in the thread in the last few posts. Some people are more susceptible to notice OLED TVs stutter more than LCD TVs. It's not specific to game mode, but all content. Its to do with the fact OLED TVs have near instantaneous response times, and no blur is seen between one frame and another. LCD TVs by comparison still have blur, so to those that do notice stutter on an OLED, an LCD seems more natural to them.

You can safely assume you won't be one of these people, as its pretty rare that people report it. However as always buy your TV from a reputable dealer, so if you are unhappy with it, you can return it.

You may even find you already have an idea if you notice the stutter or not. If you view OLED TVs in a showroom, do you notice stutter compared to LCD TVs? If the answer is no, then likely you have no reason to worry.

The other thing to consider in the future is HDMI 2.1 VRR. With that enabled on the next gen consoles the motion should be a lot cleaner on each TV that supports it, as they are able to display each frame by frame exactly the same refresh rate as the TV.
 

hiphop

Member
Can we get a revised edition based on this:



In other words, whats the best Gaming TV's if you ignore all marketing bull (hdmi2.1, vrr, [email protected]>90)) and just want quality [email protected]? with good HDR (or maybe even just [email protected] or even [email protected] (most likely/most common).

Im personally agreeing with Sony: 2.1 is not needed and as an ex game developer im sceptical of [email protected] or greater (i think 90 will be absolute max) and most games will be [email protected] maybe getting to 60/90 in a couple of years.

A similar GPU to PS5 in PC's arent running 4K at greater than 30...
 
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Dodgexander

Moderator
Can we get a revised edition based on this:
Nope, there's far more to the TVs in this guide apart from VRR. Plenty of recommended TVs without VRR as well, and VRR is something you will be able to enable or disable on the console anyway.

Besides, you can't conclude yet that VRR is going to be useless from a couple of YouTube videos. The consoles haven't even been released yet!

VRR has a range of 40-120fps on 120hz TVs so not sure what you mean by 90 or 60, both those frame rates fit into the range.
 

hiphop

Member
Nope, there's far more to the TVs in this guide apart from VRR. Plenty of recommended TVs without VRR as well, and VRR is something you will be able to enable or disable on the console anyway.

Besides, you can't conclude yet that VRR is going to be useless from a couple of YouTube videos. The consoles haven't even been released yet!

VRR has a range of 40-120fps on 120hz TVs so not sure what you mean by 90 or 60, both those frame rates fit into the range.

Yes but 4K at > than 60fps is probably a pipedream ,most likey will be [email protected]
If you watch the 2nd vid from actual developers it explains why....
 

Dodgexander

Moderator
Yes but 4K at > than 60fps is probably a pipedream ,most likey will be [email protected]
If you watch the 2nd vid from actual developers it explains why....
I just watched it and it tells me nothing, other than a balance has to be made between performance and visuals. It's got nothing whatsoever to do with HDMI 2.1 VRR.

We will see how it pans out when games are actually released, its up to developers to decide the target frame rate of the game, and like with the current consoles, it may be some games have performance modes so they can push out more frames per second.

If you firmly believe they won't bother to target the VRR min frame rate, then buy a TV on its merit apart from HDMI 2.1 VRR. The TVs in this guide are all great gaming TVs whether they support it or not, and the rank would be the same regardless.

For example, LGs OLEDs are by far the best gaming OLEDs anyway, this is in part because of their brighter HDR presentation, customisable dynamic tone mapping, support for Dolby Vision and low input lag. All features other OLEDs either lack, or have poorer implementations of.

Samsung LCD TVs are still the best TVs for gaming aside from HDMI 2.1 VRR because they have motion settings available in game mode and have the most striking HDR.

I wouldn't jump the gun and read into things just yet. A couple of pre-release videos don't mean a thing. The real proof comes when the games are actually released.
 

hiphop

Member
Hmm ok, im wrong. Just spoke to a dev and their launching [email protected] on ps5 .. he thinks cap will be 90 although hes seen [email protected] .. you wont see AAA games at that resolution.

The resounding response from dev friends was the LG CX range as you stated :-D (although a 43" 4k HDR LG looks amazing apparently!)
 

Dodgexander

Moderator
Hmm ok, im wrong. Just spoke to a dev and their launching [email protected] on ps5 .. he thinks cap will be 90 although hes seen [email protected] .. you wont see AAA games at that resolution.

The resounding response from dev friends was the LG CX range as you stated :-D (although a 43" 4k HDR LG looks amazing apparently!)
The entire point in VRR is there no longer has to be a set frame rate. So games that employed a variable frame rate like Assassin's Creed Origins will run smoothly whereas previously they didn't.

It will mean games can slow down and speed up there frames depending on the demand of each scene, but its up to developers to make it so the games don't fall beneath the 40-48 fps VRR threshold.

43" LG with HDR certainly will not look amazing. There's not a single capable HDR TV at that size.
 

I am Jon

Active Member
There's some fitting on the bottom of the screen that push in and after that it's clipped in, connected to wire and a sticky glue bead around the edge, was a pain to take off but not difficult once I realised what I was dealing with.

You don't really need an engineer to do it, a £10 multimeter and a part off here - Spare Parts & Accessories for TVs & Home + Garden Appliances | Spares2Repair
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Apparently, the powerboard is a known issue with the TV.
Thanks to your guidance and a few YouTube videos I got a new board off ebay for £24 (v1.3) and just swapped it out. TV's seems fine now :thumbsup:

Looks like I can put off buying a new OLED for a few years.
 

mouchete

Member
Great write up! Im a bit confused with VRR with HDMI 2.1. If I have a 60hz TV with VRR, and my game fluctuates between 48-60fpz I will see benefits from VRR? What happens if it fluctuates between 30 and 48? Sorry struggling to properly understand this
 

Dodgexander

Moderator
Great write up! Im a bit confused with VRR with HDMI 2.1. If I have a 60hz TV with VRR, and my game fluctuates between 48-60fpz I will see benefits from VRR? What happens if it fluctuates between 30 and 48? Sorry struggling to properly understand this
At below 48 it will not work at all, and there will be tearing and possible flickers, all of which if you didn't already notice gaming without VRR, you are likely not to notice gaming with it.

Above 60 it should still work, but throw away the extra frames, so nothing to worry about there.
 

xreyuk

Standard Member
After reading through this thread, I did want to point out that at least 2 games have already been confirmed at 4k120fps on the PS5.

Call of Duty Black Ops, and Rainbow Six Seige are both supporting 4k120fps at launch.

*EDIT* I'm not sure about Black Ops - most sources say 120fps, other says 60fps.
 

Dodgexander

Moderator
After reading through this thread, I did want to point out that at least 2 games have already been confirmed at 4k120fps on the PS5.
Good to hear and hopefully a sign of things to come. As long as they meet min VRR frame rate it should be great. Would be good to see the back of 30fps console gaming.
 

Xabi17

Active Member
After reading through this thread, I did want to point out that at least 2 games have already been confirmed at 4k120fps on the PS5.

Call of Duty Black Ops, and Rainbow Six Seige are both supporting 4k120fps at launch.

*EDIT* I'm not sure about Black Ops - most sources say 120fps, other says 60fps.
Interesting, so a couple of 4k120fps games at launch - seems there is a general view elsewhere that most games will either be one or the other, especially if you add in Ray Tracing etc. Would hope that a few of the less demanding games can manage it at least.
 

xreyuk

Standard Member
Interesting, so a couple of 4k120fps games at launch - seems there is a general view elsewhere that most games will either be one or the other, especially if you add in Ray Tracing etc. Would hope that a few of the less demanding games can manage it at least.
I think as well as some first person shooters, you'll see games like racing games offer 120fps, as well as your indie games, and games that don't require much power like fall guys etc.

It's also worth noting that Black Ops has confirmed 120fps @ 4k - with ray traced shadows.
 
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Kryton209

Standard Member
Hi @Dodgexander I see Sony have released a firmware update (hdmi 2.1) for the XH90, does this make it a better buy now for the next gen consoles?

I don't have much knowledge of TV's but this one is more within my range or should I hold fire till black friday or march to see if the LG CX drops in price?
 

hiphop

Member
After reading through this thread, I did want to point out that at least 2 games have already been confirmed at 4k120fps on the PS5.

Call of Duty Black Ops, and Rainbow Six Seige are both supporting 4k120fps at launch.

*EDIT* I'm not sure about Black Ops - most sources say 120fps, other says 60fps.
Rainbow siege is 6 years old .. old games will run at higher rates and Black ops isnt native 4k its up scaled.,
 

hiphop

Member
A consistent bottom end frame rate yes. Anything more than the consistent bottom end frame rate is a bonus and what VRR enables.

No no no :) A consistent frame rate means a consistent gaming experience. I may not be an expert on tv's as above shows LOL but ive produced over 180 games on every console from sega cd to PS4 and mobile . . hence the large number of titles.

All devs strife to work"in a frame" there's specialist programmers whose entire job it to keep the frame rate consistent. Its not about just visuals its about your inputs to. A consistent frame rate is the difference between ma\king the jump, shooting the target or hitting that critical.

Dropping frame is embarrassing and a failure of production. :)

Thats why the good devs have constant frame rates ..
 

Dodgexander

Moderator
Hi @Dodgexander I see Sony have released a firmware update (hdmi 2.1) for the XH90, does this make it a better buy now for the next gen consoles?

I don't have much knowledge of TV's but this one is more within my range or should I hold fire till black friday or march to see if the LG CX drops in price?
It's in the guide because it does have HDMI 2.1. The most disappointing factor with the TV is sub-par HDR performance which is why its not in the top tier. I'd consider purchasing the Hisense U8Q instead if you are on a limited budget, otherwise consider one of the high tier models instead.
 

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