music cds through dvd players

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  1. zigyjim

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    A friend at work has asked me to post this question. He has a pioneer 737dvd player running through a yamaha RX620 Receiver and wants to know if the sound of audio cd's sound better through an optical cable or would good quality audio cables set to the CD on the amp be better as he thinks the sound is a bit flat through optical


    thanks in advance
     
  2. pointon

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    I have a Pioneer DVD player and the same amp. I used to use the DVD to play CD's and sent it through a coax digital cable.

    This way I sent a digital signal to the amp, and used the amp's DAC instead of the player's. The amp's DAC seemed superior to me. I now use quality phono cables to connect my Marantz CD player to the amp, as the CD player's DAC is superior to the amps.

    But none of this matters as much as personal choice. There's no point your friend having this question posted on any forum, because he is the only one person who can answer it.
     
  3. Reiner

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    Well, he should just try it. A pair of analog leads can't be that expensive.
    Personally I use a coax (digital) cable as I agree with Pointon that the decoder in the DVD player is outperformed by the decoder in the amp. Might depend on the combination of amp and player though ...
     
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    Pointon and Reiner make very valid points.It all depends on the quality of the dacs in the amp and the dacs in the dvd/cd player.
    Reiner is right to suggest experimenting with interconnects may bring the improvement that the friend of Zigyjim wants. Only he can decide if it's an improvement or not.I remember a few years ago a friend of mine had a Marantz CD52 and a Philips DCC deck.He prefered the internal dac on the DCC and played cd's through it !.I much prefered the the CD52's dac. Horses for courses !!.
     
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    I have a Sony 930 and the phonos sound far superior to the coax to me. One reason I use them is I can set the coax input to Auto detect and set the phonos to Analogue direct, avoiding the amps processing junk. I find I get a smoother, more rounded sound through phonos (QED's) whereas the coax (QED) is slightly harsher but works better for movies where the increased punch is more welcome. At the end of the day, have a listen and see which you prefer. No rules, just what sounds good to you.

    Steve
     
  6. Blu-rayx

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    when you set the time delay on the amp it's for watching movies but if you use the coax or optical leads and play music using the digital leads, it also puts a delay on the music.
    that's the main reason why music sounds better using phono leads.

    dvd
     
  7. Reiner

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    What delay for 2-channel mode? Even the fronts would be delayed it would hardly matter if this is done equally for both channels. Quite unlikely though.
     
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    i've got the kef eggs which are not the best for midrange.
    i tried this lot's of times when you use the optical or coaxl leads.
    set the delay to 0.00 ( L/R) you can hear more midrange but if you set it back their is less midrange.
    well it dose this on my amp.

    amp 3801

    dvd
     
  9. Jase

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    The delay times should only affect Dolby Digital/DTS/Pro-Logic etc

    2ch Stereo/Direct shouldnt be affected by the delay times.

    Depends what mode you listen to your music in.
     
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    i've just tried it again and it does affect the sound maybe my amp is faulty but it does not matter because i use phono leads anyway.
    try this at the same time the music is playing.
    1)set the R delay time to 4.0m
    2)set the L delay time to 0.0
    3) listen, the vocals pans to the R
    4)now set the R back to 0.0
    5)the vocals are back in the center

    remember this is using optical or coax not phono leads.

    amp 3801

    dvd
     
  11. Jase

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    Hmmm!

    I´ll give it a go later, see what my Denon does. I use both Coaxial & Optical as well as Phono leads.

    cheers
     
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    Of course if you make the sound arrive later to a channel it will affect the sound, but not if you are using direct mode, then it bypasses all the digital processing...

    Only if you have your front speakers at different distance from the listening position (very unusual) should you do that. That feature is to compensate for the different distances of front, surround or center speakers...
     
  13. Jase

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    dvd

    Your right mate. When using a digital connection the speaker distances affect ALL modes including DIRECT. I played around a bit and its really the balance of the sound that changes not the tone.

    The Analogue signal is affected too, but not as much in DIRECT mode as in 5CH Stereo etc. The subwoofer tone seems to change.

    Ive never played around with it before as I just measured the distance the seating position is in relation to the speakers and left it at that.

    Cheers
     
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    Denon believes rules are to be broken... :devil:

    Well, they get the sound right, that´s what´s important... ;)
     
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    hi jase,

    are you using digital or phono cable when listening to music with your dvd player and which one sounds better to you.

    thanks

    dvd
     
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    I´m using a Coaxial cable from the player as my amp has better DAC´s. I use the Pure Direct mode on the amp.

    My cd players are connected by both so I can change around if the mood suits.

    cheers
     

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