Multiple Recording and Viewing With Humax Freesat+ PVR's

[grahamlthompson]

This thread is a follow up to the thread :

What can you record and watch at the same time using one or 2 cables with the Humax Freesat+ pvrs

and largely replaces it.

Files available here.

https://onedrive.live.com/?cid=1698F958AF9ACDA4&id=1698F958AF9ACDA4!105

Alternative links


Automated version (with update history)

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Manual Version In Excel Format

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Manual Version in HTML

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The static versions are manual only in Excel (or compatibles) or .html format (viewable in a browser).

Single Cable Working, locate which band (col 5) your first recording is in.

Second recording must be from same band. Third viewed content depends on which channels you are recording (cols 1-4).


Dual Cable - no restriction on second recording.

First two recordings from same transponder, any 3rd channel viewable and time shiftable. If from different transponders 3rd channel viewing is same as one cable - See note re G2 models.

The other file is an automated macro driven version for Windows genuine versions of Excel. Set up the transponders your post code uses for the yellow marked channels (tune to the channel on a Foxsat-hdr and press opt+ on a Foxsat-hdr, using a HDR-1000s you will have to look up what your local versions are using (King Of Sat for instance). Save the edits before clicling on the command buttons.

The static versions are manual only in Excel (or compatibles) or .html format (viewable in a browser).

Single Cable Working, locate which band (col 5) your first recording is in.

Second recording must be from same band. Third viewed content depends on which channels you are recording (cols 1-4).

If both from same transponder then any other channel in band is viewable and time shiftable.

If different transponders you can watch only any 3rd channel sharing a transponder with either recording.

Dual Cable - no restriction on second recording.

First two recordings from same transponder, any 3rd channel viewable and time shiftable. If from different transponders 3rd channel viewing is same as one cable.

The other file is an automated macro driven version for Windows genuine versions of Excel. Set up the transponders your post code uses for the yellow marked channels (tune to the channel on a Foxsat-hdr and press opt+ on a Foxsat-hdr, using a HDR-1000/1010s you will have to look up what your local versions are using (King Of Sat for instance). Save the edits before clicking on the command buttons.

NOTE The hdr1000/1010S have some extra capability

1 You can live pause any third channel you can watch
2 After one of the two recordings finishes you can record any 3rd programme you are watching live (it must still be current), and from the beginning by simply pressing the record button.


I will post when updates are available in this thread (effectively forming a freesat change log) .

NOTE The complete update history is detailed on a separate worksheet in the FoxsatRecordCheck011.xls file

 

[grahamlthompson]

15-Apr-13 518 - Kiss, 519 - The Box, 521 - Smashhits, 524 - Kerrang added on 12480 V. 512 Channel AKA deleted

 

[swjoduk]

Graham,

I cant get that Sky Drive link to work.

Sorry

 

[grahamlthompson]

Graham,

I cant get that Sky Drive link to work.

Sorry

I have posted updated link.

Alternatively

Automated version (with update history)

https://www.adrive.com/public/k6Q377/FoxsatRecordCheck011.xls

Manual Version In Excel Format

https://www.adrive.com/public/bHdVfB/FoxsatStaticMK2_011.xls

Manual Version in HTML

https://www.adrive.com/public/t3jBkt/FoxsatStaticMK2_011.htm

 

[grahamlthompson]

Probably not worth downloading but for the sake of accuracy


108 Name change BBC One Hd to BBC ONE HD, 109 Name change BBC Two HD to BBC TWO HD

 

[grahamlthompson]

520 Heat and 523 Magic added 11585 H Eutelsat28A

 

[grahamlthompson]

Channel 809 JML Living has changed name to The Boutique. Saving this one till the next significant update

 

[grahamlthompson]

Channel 819 Argos TV removed

 

[grahamlthompson]

Believe it or not Post 7 has just been reversed.

809 has changed back to JML Living from The Boutique.

Leaving to next update.

Some errors have been corrected in the non auto versions.

 

[grahamlthompson]

520 Heat and 523 Magic moved from 11585 H to 11222 H, 803 PITCH TV renamed to Armchair Shop, 604 POPGirl renamed to PopGirl and 605 TinyPOP renamed to TinyPop


Changes now uploaded.

 

[grahamlthompson]

Red Button channels added as follows

980 BBC RB HD 11023 H, 981 BBC RB 1 10773 H

 

[grahamlthompson]

Red button channels 982 BBC RB2 and 983 BBC RB 3 added (12643 V)

 

[grahamlthompson]

ITV regional channel data worksheet updated, Help button channel list updated (Thanks to David500).

Channel 690 transponder change 12643 H to 11259 V

 

[grahamlthompson]

Red button streams 982 and 983 removed

 

[mickevh]

Thanks for the info guys. Really useful as I live in a block of flats where I can only have single cable operation.

Can anyone direct me to or provide some narrative as to how this bit of witchcraft works...?

When I used to run a satellite tuner card in a PC, I used to be able to record as many channels as I like from the same transponder, so I get that TP's carry multiple channels and I guess I understand that a device with a second tuner can tune a different TP and extract any other channels required from that.

Where my understanding runs out is with the "band blocks/polerisation" as shown in the charts - what's that about and why do both tuners have to be within the same block...?

Cheers, M.

 

[grahamlthompson]

Thanks for the info guys. Really useful as I live in a block of flats where I can only have single cable operation.

Can anyone direct me to or provide some narrative as to how this bit of witchcraft works...?

When I used to run a satellite tuner card in a PC, I used to be able to record as many channels as I like from the same transponder, so I get that TP's carry multiple channels and I guess I understand that a device with a second tuner can tune a different TP and extract any other channels required from that.

Where my understanding runs out is with the "band blocks/polerisation" as shown in the charts - what's that about and why do both tuners have to be within the same block...?

Cheers, M.

Because it's not easily technically possible to fit all the frequencies used by a satellite on a coax downlead at once and because the microwave signals received by the lnb are too high in frequency to be carried on a coax cable anyway, the lnb has to down shift the frequency to a value that coax can handle. The total frequency band used is split into high and low band. The tuner adds a 22kHz ac tone to signal the lnb to downshift the high band channels, without the tone the low band channels are downshifted. Therefore frequency wise there are two combinations. Secondly to allow transponders close in frequency to each other not to interfere with each other adjacent transponders use differing polarisations - horizontal and vertical, the tuner switches the lnb by either sending dc power at 12 or 18V. There are then 4 possible combinations High Band-Horizontal, High Band-Vertical, Low Band-Horizontal, Low Band - Vertical.

Only 1 tuner can control the lnb - tuner 1 in the case of the Humax sat pvrs.

The other tuner can still access all the other channels in the same band and polarisation as tuner 1 has switched the lnb to receive.

Nominally then the second tuner would have around 25% of the total channels available. Freesat though has very few high band channels, as a result when tuner 1 is using a low band transponder the second tuner has approx. 45% of the total channel count available. Additionally the bbc regional SD channels have both horizontal and vertical variants. As a result if you are recording say a horizontal channel and your local bbc region at 101 is vertical then you can switch to recording an alternate bbc region that is also horizontal.

The third nice touch the Humax adds to this is that only 1 tuner is required if both recording channels are from the same transponder. This leaves the second tuner free to deliver any other channel for viewing, subject to the above frequency/polarisation restrictions.

 

[mickevh]

Thanks Graham, that's just what I wanted to understand.

 

[grahamlthompson]

804 Discount TV removed

 

[grahamlthompson]

120 S4C Digidol moved from 12051 V to 11526 V, 803 name change from Armchair Shop to Tristar

 

[grahamlthompson]

809 JML Living moved from 12523 V to 12560 V

 

[grahamlthompson]

814 QVC Extra and 818 QVC Style added (12031 H)

 

[grahamlthompson]

515 Vintage TV transponder move 12643 H to 11261 H

 

[grahamlthompson]

Don't get too excited

694 GOD Channel transponder moved from 12643 H to 11259 V

 

[grahamlthompson]

409 HOLIDAY+CRUISE added 12606 H, 734 LBC 97.3 added 11222 H, 690 Inspiration TV transponder move 11259 V to 11307 H and 802 bid moved from 12031 H to 11426 V

 

[grahamlthompson]

407 FASHION ONE deleted